General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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Azov Volunteer ANZ said:
exploiting the same random old woman for propaganda purposes.
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Is giving her a voice and asking another country to stop killing people like her really propaganda? Is giving her full quotes exploiting?




For Ms. Ivanova, whose house lost its roof and windows to Russian shelling in March, and who speaks Ukrainian as her mother tongue, this newfound fame in Russia is bewildering and unwelcome, she says. Her real-life story is far more complex than the tale multiplied by Russian propaganda. It is steeped in the tragedies wrought by this conflict—and by the huge social toll of the Soviet Union’s collapse.

“I wish I could call Putin and tell him: Why was it impossible to solve this question without war, so neither their boys nor ours would have to die? It’s a huge calamity, for Ukraine and for Russia,” Ms. Ivanova said in her garden as artillery exchanges between Ukrainian and Russian forces raged just a few miles away, interrupting the conversation. “What have we, Ukraine, done to Russia so they have to kill us? Russia started it. Ukraine didn’t touch them.”


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As Ms. Ivanova explains it, the Soviet flag that she carried out to the troops—and that she kept from her youth, when everyone in the village would fly it on the May 9 holiday commemorating the Soviet victory over the Nazis—had nothing to do with supporting Mr. Putin or his war. “To me, it is a flag of peace, the flag with which the war ended in Germany. It is not a flag of evil but a flag of love,” she said as she pulled the banner out of her shed, noting that she still must wash it.
 
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Splinty said:
Is giving her a voice and asking another country to stop killing people like her really propaganda? Is giving her full quotes exploiting?




For Ms. Ivanova, whose house lost its roof and windows to Russian shelling in March, and who speaks Ukrainian as her mother tongue, this newfound fame in Russia is bewildering and unwelcome, she says. Her real-life story is far more complex than the tale multiplied by Russian propaganda. It is steeped in the tragedies wrought by this conflict—and by the huge social toll of the Soviet Union’s collapse.

“I wish I could call Putin and tell him: Why was it impossible to solve this question without war, so neither their boys nor ours would have to die? It’s a huge calamity, for Ukraine and for Russia,” Ms. Ivanova said in her garden as artillery exchanges between Ukrainian and Russian forces raged just a few miles away, interrupting the conversation. “What have we, Ukraine, done to Russia so they have to kill us? Russia started it. Ukraine didn’t touch them.”


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As Ms. Ivanova explains it, the Soviet flag that she carried out to the troops—and that she kept from her youth, when everyone in the village would fly it on the May 9 holiday commemorating the Soviet victory over the Nazis—had nothing to do with supporting Mr. Putin or his war. “To me, it is a flag of peace, the flag with which the war ended in Germany. It is not a flag of evil but a flag of love,” she said as she pulled the banner out of her shed, noting that she still must wash it.
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let him seethe bruv, it’s how he copes
 
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Splinty said:
Is giving her a voice and asking another country to stop killing people like her really propaganda? Is giving her full quotes exploiting?




For Ms. Ivanova, whose house lost its roof and windows to Russian shelling in March, and who speaks Ukrainian as her mother tongue, this newfound fame in Russia is bewildering and unwelcome, she says. Her real-life story is far more complex than the tale multiplied by Russian propaganda. It is steeped in the tragedies wrought by this conflict—and by the huge social toll of the Soviet Union’s collapse.

“I wish I could call Putin and tell him: Why was it impossible to solve this question without war, so neither their boys nor ours would have to die? It’s a huge calamity, for Ukraine and for Russia,” Ms. Ivanova said in her garden as artillery exchanges between Ukrainian and Russian forces raged just a few miles away, interrupting the conversation. “What have we, Ukraine, done to Russia so they have to kill us? Russia started it. Ukraine didn’t touch them.”


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As Ms. Ivanova explains it, the Soviet flag that she carried out to the troops—and that she kept from her youth, when everyone in the village would fly it on the May 9 holiday commemorating the Soviet victory over the Nazis—had nothing to do with supporting Mr. Putin or his war. “To me, it is a flag of peace, the flag with which the war ended in Germany. It is not a flag of evil but a flag of love,” she said as she pulled the banner out of her shed, noting that she still must wash it.
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She also said this:

'At the time, she told the soldiers that she and her husband had "waited, prayed for them, for Putin and all the people," when she apparently thought Ukrainian soldiers were Russian soldiers.

Here's a hint, Doc, in a warzone, whatever one might say might be influenced by the very friendly looking chaps with them in this photo - on either side. Whether they actually told you to say anything or not. Are you going to say nice things about Putin here? Or bad things about Putin if these guys had a white armband on?



Who the knows what she really thinks and who gives a shit? The only moral thing to do is leave her alone, and not have either side exploit and possibly intimidate her.
 
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Azov Volunteer ANZ said:


She also said this:

'At the time, she told the soldiers that she and her husband had "waited, prayed for them, for Putin and all the people," when she apparently thought Ukrainian soldiers were Russian soldiers.

Here's a hint, Doc, in a warzone, whatever one might say might be influenced by the very friendly looking chaps with them in this photo - on either side. Whether they actually told you to say anything or not. Are you going to say nice things about Putin here? Or bad things about Putin if these guys had a white armband on?



Who the knows what she really thinks and who gives a shit? The only moral thing to do is leave her alone, and not have either side exploit and possibly intimidate her.
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fuk u i’m flying over there to interview her now
 
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Sheepdog @Azov Volunteer ANZ i wish we lived close to each other so we could go to see the new top gun and i could tell you about the super hornet for the entire film

also did you see they relaunched Azov with a new “special purpose unit” complete with new patch?

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Lars said:
Sheepdog @Azov Volunteer ANZ i wish we lived close to each other so we could go to see the new top gun and i could tell you about the super hornet for the entire film

also did you see they relaunched Azov with a new “special purpose unit” complete with new patch?

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I think it would be less homoerotic to say to another man 'I want to cover you in syrup and make love to you' than 'I want to take you to see Top Gun'

 
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Sheepdog @Azov Volunteer ANZ are your comrades on the back foot???

Meanwhile, an official in the key eastern city of Severodonetsk says Ukrainian forces now only control 20% of territory there
 
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