General 14 students, 1 teacher dead following mass school shooting in Texas
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Legit lol!
Now do being present at Taliban school bombings vs lightening strikes in Afghanistan.
Probability of irrelevant numbers vs real numbers.
Let’s look at real numbers and fatalities.
AR15- 19 kids in 1 day (in under 2 hours actually)
Lightning - 10 kids in 4,745 days (13 years)
Why you 2A kids ignoring California data showing gun restrictions work to lower gun violence?
California Ranked #1 for Gun Safety, Death Rate 37% Lower than National Average
Californians 25% Less Likely to Die in a Mass Shooting
Assault Weapons: California law strictly prohibits assault weapons. This includes possessing, distributing, selling and manufacturing assault weapons. According to the Giffords Law Center, California’s assault weapons ban is one of the most comprehensive of the seven states and the District of Columbia that have bans on the books.
Red Flag Law: California became one of the first states in the nation to enact a red flag law in 2016. California law allows law enforcement, family members, employers, coworkers and school employees to file a Gun Violence Restraining Order (GVRO) against an individual suspected of being a danger to themselves and others. The GVRO prohibits a person from possessing firearms.
From 2019 to 2021, Governor Newsom signed a package of laws to further strengthen GVROs. Between 2016 and 2020, the number of GVROs increased from 85 to 1,284 – a 1,410% increase; of orders issued, law enforcement officers petitioned for more than 96% of the orders and family members requested the remaining four percent.
Waiting Period: California has a waiting period of 10 days for all gun purchases. The state is one of nine states and the District of Columbia that have waiting periods and California’s waiting period is among the strictest. The Washington Post reportedthat the suspect in the recent Tulsa, Ok. hospital shooting purchased an AR-15-style rifle about an hour before the attack. According to Giffords, “Studies suggest that waiting period laws are associated with reduced rates of firearm suicide. By one estimation, waiting period laws may reduce firearm suicide rates by 7–11%. Waiting period laws also appear to reduce gun homicide rates. One study found that waiting period laws that delay the purchase of firearms by a few days can reduce gun homicides by roughly 17%.”
Universal Background Checks: California requires background checks on all gun purchases and transfers, including private transfers and sales at gun shows. It is one of 14 states and the District of Columbia that require universal background checks.
Mental Health Reporting: California has some of the nation’s strongest laws preventing those with serious mental illness from acquiring firearms. California law requires the immediate reporting of involuntary inpatient and outpatient treatment, as well as those under guardianship. Mental health treatment facilities and psychotherapists are also required to report under certain circumstances.
Age Restrictions: In California, you must be at least 21 years of age to purchase a handgun and at least 18 years of age to purchase a long gun.
Red Flag Law: California became one of the first states in the nation to enact a red flag law in 2016. California law allows law enforcement, family members, employers, coworkers and school employees to file a Gun Violence Restraining Order (GVRO) against an individual suspected of being a danger to themselves and others. The GVRO prohibits a person from possessing firearms.
From 2019 to 2021, Governor Newsom signed a package of laws to further strengthen GVROs. Between 2016 and 2020, the number of GVROs increased from 85 to 1,284 – a 1,410% increase; of orders issued, law enforcement officers petitioned for more than 96% of the orders and family members requested the remaining four percent.
Waiting Period: California has a waiting period of 10 days for all gun purchases. The state is one of nine states and the District of Columbia that have waiting periods and California’s waiting period is among the strictest. The Washington Post reportedthat the suspect in the recent Tulsa, Ok. hospital shooting purchased an AR-15-style rifle about an hour before the attack. According to Giffords, “Studies suggest that waiting period laws are associated with reduced rates of firearm suicide. By one estimation, waiting period laws may reduce firearm suicide rates by 7–11%. Waiting period laws also appear to reduce gun homicide rates. One study found that waiting period laws that delay the purchase of firearms by a few days can reduce gun homicides by roughly 17%.”
Universal Background Checks: California requires background checks on all gun purchases and transfers, including private transfers and sales at gun shows. It is one of 14 states and the District of Columbia that require universal background checks.
Mental Health Reporting: California has some of the nation’s strongest laws preventing those with serious mental illness from acquiring firearms. California law requires the immediate reporting of involuntary inpatient and outpatient treatment, as well as those under guardianship. Mental health treatment facilities and psychotherapists are also required to report under certain circumstances.
Age Restrictions: In California, you must be at least 21 years of age to purchase a handgun and at least 18 years of age to purchase a long gun.
LoL.
totally the AR, and not the cops who didn't check the door locks or confront the shooter.
He could have killed as many kids with a .22 pistol FFS.
But let's talk "raw numbers".
How many kids will drown this year?
Less kids will drown this year than kids killed by guns
Lightning occurs in less than a second. Check mate!!!!
Anyone advocating for criminal charges against the police?
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It'll depend on details. But given that the supreme Court says police do not have an obligation to protect and serve or whatever it was where they basically said, police can choose not to act. I don't think criminal will work. Probably civil.
That's completely fucked.
define "kids".
under the age of 12?
or "kids" that are living adult criminal lives by the time they're 14?
Don't forget those kids who are old enough to vote.
those are still "teenagers".
Not when they're 20+, bro.
But he didn't, did he.
He used an AR-15 variant, just like Breivik (69 kills), Paddock (60 kills), Tarrant (51 kills) Mateen (49 kills)....
want me to go on? It's a loooooong list, even just including the guys who racked up a double digit body count.
Not a single one of those guys had a day's military training, by the way.
Lol, want to talk about firearm death rates per capita, you guys versus literally every single other country in the developed world?
Because those are the "raw numbers" that really matter when it comes to this issue. How many people are killed by guns. And there is absolutely no way to argue that your guys "it's a guns free for all!" has been anything but a disaster when it comes to everyday life in America. You'd think that bulletproof backpacks for elementary schoolkids not only existing to start with, but flying off the shelves, would illustrate that pretty clearly. But apparently not.
If it's a higher number than I'm comfortable with, let's just deflect to talking nonsense about malfunctioning gates or lazy lifeguards. ?
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But he'd have been less likely to do so.
Association of Firearm Caliber With Death From Gunshot in Criminal Assaults
This cross-sectional study uses data from police department investigation files to characterize the association between firearm caliber and likelihood of death in victims and survivors of shootings in Boston, Massachusetts, between 2010 and 2014.
.22 caliber pistol as per the ATF:But he'd have been less likely to do so.
Association of Firearm Caliber With Death From Gunshot in Criminal Assaults
This cross-sectional study uses data from police department investigation files to characterize the association between firearm caliber and likelihood of death in victims and survivors of shootings in Boston, Massachusetts, between 2010 and 2014.jamanetwork.com
223 vs 22lr. Wonder what the muzzle velocity diffrence would be?
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My favorite part is that
@Filthy has more physics background than most of us, maybe even all of us, and is in complete denial about f=ma
Generally, a couple thousand feet per second.