General Former capital stormer killed while being served papers at her foreclosed home

[supersonic]

Prosecutors won't ask too many questions about this. In their minds, and the media's, it's all good becasue of Jan6 and those people deserve to be destroyed.

 

[sparkuri]

I didn't assume she was doing that. I laid out two scenarios.

She can't shoot anyone that isn't a threat of death or great bodily injury. Well, she can. She'll end up in prison though.

Her intent was clearly not to shoot the armed men. She didn't know they were armed prior to opening the door.

You might want to re-read my post. You are taking what I wrote out of context. I'm not going to go through it line by line. I already wrote it.

What am I missing?
I just read it a third time, then read the linked article a second time for context.
Have you re-read it?
It doesn't come off as proposed scenarios, it comes off as presumptuous.
I've noted several presumptions.
Whether or not they were concealed or open carry for one.
Or her thoughts regarding foreclosure answering the door.

It is another thing to come to the door waiving around a gun like a lunatic.

You don't get to shoot someone for trespassing. They need to pose a threat of death or great bodily injury whether you are at home or anywhere else. She initiated that rather than the people serving the papers.

If I was on someone's property for a legitimate purpose and they answered the door waiving around a gun, I'd pull mine too.

This is a critical error.
By pulling yours out, you'd be escalating the situation exponentially.
The chances of the situation ending 'not terrible' significantly diminish, particularly if neither of you were trained in de-escalation.

From a survival & harmony standpoint, pulling a gun on her because she has one on her property is akin to pulling one on a cop for attempting to detain you illegally.
It CAN'T end well.
This was my reaction.
You "can't" pull out your firearm because she has one.

I agree with most other things & positions/scenarios laid out.
But I call it murder, because unless these servers are disabled and can't run away, and the nurse specifically made threat to harm them & it was impending, they ABSOLUTELY have no right to pull on her & shoot her on her property.

I won't rehash it further, but as a lifelong resident I can beg you to refamiliarize yourself with state law & case law.
There's a guy on YT Washington Gun Law

I'll see if I can't get him to comment.

 

[mysticmac]

Prosecutors won't ask too many questions about this. In their minds, and the media's, it's all good becasue of Jan6 and those people deserve to be destroyed.

I wouldn't be surprised especially given the area being very liberal.

 

[mysticmac]

What am I missing?
I just read it a third time, then read the linked article a second time for context.
Have you re-read it?
It doesn't come off as proposed scenarios, it comes off as presumptuous.
I've noted several presumptions.
Whether or not they were concealed or open carry for one.
Or her thoughts regarding foreclosure answering the door.










This is a critical error.
By pulling yours out, you'd be escalating the situation exponentially.
The chances of the situation ending 'not terrible' significantly diminish, particularly if neither of you were trained in de-escalation.

From a survival & harmony standpoint, pulling a gun on her because she has one on her property is akin to pulling one on a cop for attempting to detain you illegally.
It CAN'T end well.
This was my reaction.
You "can't" pull out your firearm because she has one.

I agree with most other things & positions/scenarios laid out.
But I call it murder, because unless these servers are disabled and can't run away, and the nurse specifically made threat to harm them & it was impending, they ABSOLUTELY have no right to pull on her & shoot her on her property.

I won't rehash it further, but as a lifelong resident I can beg you to refamiliarize yourself with state law & case law.
There's a guy on YT Washington Gun Law

I'll see if I can't get him to comment.

I'm not talking about an article. You responded to what I wrote, so I responded to what you wrote in response to what I wrote. I proposed scenarios.

You don't have to be trained in deescalation. He isn't a cop. He had a legitimate reason to be there. He ended the threat.

You can pull your firearm if you have a legitimate reason to be where you are and are not the one to initiate the threat of death or great bodily harm. That is self defense rather than escalating.

Even if she came to the door with a gun. She should have lowered it once she realized they were there for a legitimate reason. She should have deescalated the situation.

Again, you don't get to shoot someone because they are trespassing or because they want to hand you some papers that you don't like. There needs to be a legitimate threat of death or great bodily injury. To be legitimate, it needs to be both subjective and objective meaning the person shooting needs to actually feel threatened of death or great bodily injury and a reasonable person would feel the same.

And yes, I'm subscribed to his channel. He has repeatedly said what I just said, so I would recommend you refamiliarize yourself.

 

[sparkuri]

I sure will.
In case he isn't retained, I've pointed him to the case for comment.
🙏🏽

 

[sparkuri]

My apologies @mysticmac for coming in hard.
I don't mean to insinuate you're not well-versed in law or really anything.
I think you're a great human being as far as gathered digitally.
My frustration comes from watching my home & country, the Constitution eroded in front of me.
And the painting of death justified through the insanity of mainstream propaganda.

I've been shot at on someone's property, albeit a warning shot off the side of my feet, and grew up with a fairly inherent understanding that private property is a bedrock for understanding rights.
Absent more info, speculation & hard stance even on perceived core tenets on my part could be totally off.
I feel I should LEGALLY be able to aim a firearm at someone on my own property from a legal standpoint, though I never would.
That's how it used to be, and maybe that's changed.
Certainly many old folks feel or believe the way I do.

But my intent is to publically apologize for putting my frustration with the totality of the situation on you.

 

[mysticmac]

My apologies @mysticmac for coming in hard.
I don't mean to insinuate you're not well-versed in law or really anything.
I think you're a great human being as far as gathered digitally.
My frustration comes from watching my home & country, the Constitution eroded in front of me.
And the painting of death justified through the insanity of mainstream propaganda.

I've been shot at on someone's property, albeit a warning shot off the side of my feet, and grew up with a fairly inherent understanding that private property is a bedrock for understanding rights.
Absent more info, speculation & hard stance even on perceived core tenets on my part could be totally off.
I feel I should LEGALLY be able to aim a firearm at someone on my own property from a legal standpoint, though I never would.
That's how it used to be, and maybe that's changed.
Certainly many old folks feel or believe the way I do.

But my intent is to publically apologize for putting my frustration with the totality of the situation on you.

No worries. It's an open discussion. And same to you.

We live in different times than when were kids. I can see why/how people would be in fear of their life if a gun were pointed at them. I'd feel the same. Where I currently live, I'd be put in jail if I pointed a gun at someone simply for coming to my door. It would likely be a felony, and I'd likely lose my right to own any gun or ammo. The woman in this story lives in a different neighborhood of the same city.

I grew up in a very different place and time. We didn't really have problems where we needed to point guns at people, but there also were not that many people.

You don't owe me an apology.

 

[fake pie]

Unlikely. Most process servers are not any kind of officials.

 

[sparkuri]

You don't owe me an apology.

YOU DON'T TELL ME WHEN & WHEN NOT TO APOLOGIZE MOTHERFUCKER

 

[sparkuri]

Again, sorry

 

[fake pie]

There's pointing a gun at someone lurking your backyard at night and doing the same when they knocked on your door in broad daylight. She had the option to not answer. That said, we dont know if she pointed. If she was just carrying it, I dont think he had the right to shoot unless she did more.