General Another plane crash - Toronto Airport

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Jamie999

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What a dumbass. No air traffic controllers were laid off/fired as directed by Trump. Talking about dumb admin positions.

Air traffic control doesn't need to be cut. It can easily be a revenue generating department and it isn't in many countries.. I think in USA it's a combination but it doesn't need to be funded by general tax revenue.. It can easily be 100% paid for and included in ticket fees... And in that case it can be staffed as much as needed.
 

kvr28

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Judobill @Judobill Looks like they never pulled the nose up (I think it's called the "flare", yes?) just before landing, so they hit hard.

Altimeter set incorrectly maybe?

Any thoughts from an actual pilot after seeing that?
Saw a comment somewhere it looks like a navy pilot trying to land on a carrier, flare was mentioned as well
 

Judobill

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Judobill @Judobill Looks like they never pulled the nose up (I think it's called the "flare", yes?) just before landing, so they hit hard.

Altimeter set incorrectly maybe?

Any thoughts from an actual pilot after seeing that?
It hit super hard. Will be interesting to see what the flight recorder data has to say. We will eventually get the data, but it doesn’t look good for the pilots.
 

kvr28

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It hit super hard. Will be interesting to see what the flight recorder data has to say. We will eventually get the data, but it doesn’t look good for the pilots.
Would the snow cause a visual issue as far as level? Runway looked clear.
 

NotBanjaxo

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It hit super hard. Will be interesting to see what the flight recorder data has to say. We will eventually get the data, but it doesn’t look good for the pilots.
Am I correct in thinking that modern passenger aircraft have a system to warn pilots that they are descending too fast near the ground? Or does this only give warnings if the plane isn't configured for landing?

Any other warning system that should have indicated a problem, or is this just something that should be glaringly obvious to a pilot?
 

Judobill

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Am I correct in thinking that modern passenger aircraft have a system to warn pilots that they are descending too fast near the ground? Or does this only give warnings if the plane isn't configured for landing?

Any other warning system that should have indicated a problem, or is this just something that should be glaringly obvious to a pilot?
I’m sure the airplane was yelling “SINK RATE, SINK RATE!” Like I said though, we really won’t know what happened until the CVR/FDRs come out. All will be revealed then.
 

Jamie999

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It hit super hard. Will be interesting to see what the flight recorder data has to say. We will eventually get the data, but it doesn’t look good for the pilots.
Who knows.. I think they intentionally land hard on wet runway?! Do they on a snowy runway too?
 

NotBanjaxo

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I’m sure the airplane was yelling “SINK RATE, SINK RATE!” Like I said though, we really won’t know what happened until the CVR/FDRs come out. All will be revealed then.
Appreciate the information, thanks.
 

NotBanjaxo

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Apologies for the potato quality gif, I presume that this angle is from a security camera:

 

NotBanjaxo

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Saw a pilot give a quick breakdown on YouTube of what he saw in the video.

He didn't want to speculate as to the exact cause, he'd rather wait until at least the preliminary report by the NTSB.

He did note that those on board were extremely lucky in that the right wing appeared to completely shear off on landing. Although this did result in the plane rolling over, it was the fuel tanks in the right wing that ruptured and caught fire, and the way the fuselage ended up seperating from the wing meant that the fire didn't engulf the fuselage after it came to rest.