Somewhat juvenile Philosophical question

[Lord Vutulaki]

If someone harms your child in a physical way IE not name calling but assault or molestation and you torture that motherfucker to death over months and months are you as bad as them?

With Assault Im talking a stranger hitting your child and breaking their jaw for say making too much noise in a restaurant not grand dad clipping their ear for swearing or something, I wont qualify molestation for obvious reasons

 

[Team Bisping]

Question means more defining.

Torturing someone to death over an assault even on my own kid is tad extreme.

That's gangster style retribution, I'd hope I'd take the high road, but when it's family, it's hard to contain such rational thoughts. He'd deserve a beating sure, but do you want to spend the rest of your life trying to raise your son through the pexi glass of a prison visitation room?

 

[Lord Vutulaki]

Question means more defining.

Torturing someone to death over an assault even on my own kid is tad extreme.

That's gangster style retribution, I'd hope I'd take the high road, but when it's family, it's hard to contain such rational thoughts. He'd deserve a beating sure, but do you want to spend the rest of your life trying to raise your son through the pexi glass of a prison visitation room?

Last question you raised, absolutely no. No way.

The rest of your points are valid and so is my mine

 

[Leigh]

No, you are not as bad IMHO. I do think torturing them to death is a bit extreme but you're reacting to their offense. You're not initiating the physicality.

The person who broke a child's jaw or molested them is worse.

 

[HEATH VON DOOM]

It depends, are we talking about a 10 year old getting hit by an adult or your 20 year old running his mouth to wrong person.

If your child is molested then there is no mercy. Doing it yourself doesnt make you a bad person but you have to live with what you did as well. Are you going to be able to justify what you did to yourself in 2 years when you have flash backs?

If you dont know a kid or the parents, and the kid is acting up you just have to walk on. No excuse to dicipline a strangers kid no matter how awfull they are. Its unfortunate that some people refuse to teach their kids how to act in public.

 

[1031]

This is not something any parent in their right mind would want to entertain.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Assaulted and injured, I'd beat the fuck out of, maybe break something. Molested, they better hope the cops find them first.

 

[Lord Vutulaki]

This is not something any parent in their right mind would want to entertain.

Yeah its not something Ive actually given any thought in terms of it ever actually eventuating but I was asking from a more I guess crude philosophical stance.

I was reading back and forth shit slinging between an ex con who did an additional 8 years of crippling a pedophile in prison and a Christian do gooder type and the latter was claiming that an ex con has no place judging another criminal regardless of what either party did and the ex con was coming back along the lines of him having committed a crime that didnt involve children, was somewhat forced into through circumstance whereas as the pedo was just a sick fuck.

I couldnt make my mind up so I decided to think about it from a separate axiom IE the scenario in my OP.


The "Tortured forever" bit was just the wine and the sun talking or maybe "in vino veritas" after all eh?

I spend a lot of time contemplating useless shit.

 

[1031]

Yeah its not something Ive actually given any thought in terms of it ever actually eventuating but I was asking from a more I guess crude philosophical stance.

I was reading back and forth shit slinging between an ex con who did an additional 8 years of crippling a pedophile in prison and a Christian do gooder type and the latter was claiming that an ex con has no place judging another criminal regardless of what either party did and the ex con was coming back along the lines of him having committed a crime that didnt involve children, was somewhat forced into through circumstance whereas as the pedo was just a sick fuck.

I couldnt make my mind up so I decided to think about it from a separate axiom IE the scenario in my OP.


The "Tortured forever" bit was just the wine and the sun talking or maybe "in vino veritas" after all eh?

I spend a lot of time contemplating useless shit.

Well let's be realistic about it, do we really think that torturing someone daily wouldn't mess us up? Smashing someone and permanently crippling them ought to be enough, shouldn't it?

 

[Lord Vutulaki]

Well let's be realistic about it, do we really think that torturing someone daily wouldn't mess us up? Smashing someone and permanently crippling them ought to be enough, shouldn't it?

Yep hence the second last line of the post you quoted, agree 100%

Id probably kill them but I doubt Id have the stomach for that torture shit, plus while we are being realistic Id imagine you would be putting in serious time and work to heal yourself if not for your own sake but that of you family.

 

[Leigh]

Yeah its not something Ive actually given any thought in terms of it ever actually eventuating but I was asking from a more I guess crude philosophical stance.

I was reading back and forth shit slinging between an ex con who did an additional 8 years of crippling a pedophile in prison and a Christian do gooder type and the latter was claiming that an ex con has no place judging another criminal regardless of what either party did and the ex con was coming back along the lines of him having committed a crime that didnt involve children, was somewhat forced into through circumstance whereas as the pedo was just a sick fuck.

I couldnt make my mind up so I decided to think about it from a separate axiom IE the scenario in my OP.


The "Tortured forever" bit was just the wine and the sun talking or maybe "in vino veritas" after all eh?

I spend a lot of time contemplating useless shit.

I agree that due process should be followed but the pedo is worse than the guy who bashes them IMHO. We definitely don't want excuse making convicts in charge of dealing out justice.

 

[HEATH VON DOOM]

I agree that due process should be followed but the pedo is worse than the guy who bashes them IMHO. We definitely don't want excuse making convicts in charge of dealing out justice.

So what you are saying is if he is convicted of being a pedo he should go to jail, but not in the same jail as other convicts because they might hurt hurt him?

 

[1031]

Yep hence the second last line of the post you quoted, agree 100%

Id probably kill them but I doubt Id have the stomach for that torture shit, plus while we are being realistic Id imagine you would be putting in serious time and work to heal yourself if not for your own sake but that of you family.

If that Latin bit meant that then it was over my head. I don't know if there is a way to "heal" other than let time help you forget. Time is good that way....and it can be cruel that way too :/

 

[Leigh]

So what you are saying is if he is convicted of being a pedo he should go to jail, but not in the same jail as other convicts because they might hurt hurt him?

No, that's not what I said. You've just made up a stance and tried to apply it to me. Good to see you don't take Sundays off though, you're very committed to getting that one win

 

[1031]

I agree that due process should be followed but the pedo is worse than the guy who bashes them IMHO. We definitely don't want excuse making convicts in charge of dealing out justice.

I am not sure about which one is "worse" and you have to let me clarify that. They're BOTH dangerous to society but in very different ways.The pedo is messed up, broken in a way, maybe even sociopaths (I don't want to get into their "train of thought" so I can only assume). The guy that goes about killing others based on his spectrum of what's acceptable to him is actually a pretty fuckin dangerous guy for society to have running loose too. It's easier for me to relate to wanting to off someone for pissing me off but I don't know what goes on in the heads of repeat killers.

 

[Leigh]

I am not sure about which one is "worse" and you have to let me clarify that. They're BOTH dangerous to society but in very different ways.The pedo is messed up, broken in a way, maybe even sociopaths (I don't want to get into their "train of thought" so I can only assume). The guy that goes about killing others based on his spectrum of what's acceptable to him is actually a pretty fuckin dangerous guy for society to have running loose too. It's easier for me to relate to wanting to off someone for pissing me off but I don't know what goes on in the heads of repeat killers.

I agree both are bad but at least the thug has some kind of moral code (in this scenario). You're not necessarily in danger if you're not a child molester.

The child molester, on the hand, targets innocent children. To me there really isn't a comparison.

 

[1031]

I agree both are bad but at least the thug has some kind of moral code (in this scenario). You're not necessarily in danger if you're not a child molester.

The child molester, on the hand, targets innocent children. To me there really isn't a comparison.

I agree with you but how many of us have killed another person with our bare hands? I'm not sure I would kill a child molester if given the opportunity. I am not sure if I want to be in a room with someone who has killed another person in cold blood (although I'm sure I have been). The whole subject requires me to go to places that I really don't want to mentally visit.

 

[Lord Vutulaki]

Bravo well said. Fuck it

 

[HEATH VON DOOM]

No, that's not what I said. You've just made up a stance and tried to apply it to me. Good to see you don't take Sundays off though, you're very committed to getting that one win

I am must trying to understand actually, because you know what happens to pedos in jail right? The inmates deal out justice in when both are in general population. You said you dont want excuse making convicts in charge if dealing out justice.

 

[Leigh]

I am must trying to understand actually, because you know what happens to pedos in jail right? The inmates deal out justice in when both are in general population. You said you dont want excuse making convicts in charge if dealing out justice.

Ok

 

[HEATH VON DOOM]

Ok

Serious question since you are a woman, do you consider a 20 year old woman that has sex with a 15 year old boy as bad as a 20 year old male that does same thing? Most men i know, myself included, really have no problem with the woman, but at same time where do we draw the line?

 

[Leigh]

I agree with you but how many of us have killed another person with our bare hands? I'm not sure I would kill a child molester if given the opportunity. I am not sure if I want to be in a room with someone who has killed another person in cold blood (although I'm sure I have been). The whole subject requires me to go to places that I really don't want to mentally visit.

I'm confident I could torture a person to death if they sexually assaulted my kids.

 

[Leigh]

Serious question since you are a woman, do you consider a 20 year old woman that has sex with a 15 year old boy as bad as a 20 year old male that does same thing? Most men i know, myself included, really have no problem with the woman, but at same time where do we draw the line?

LOL is this real life?

Anyway, I consider both morally equal. I have a some opinions on AOC laws but that's a different thread.

 

[HEATH VON DOOM]

LOL is this real life?

Anyway, I consider both morally equal. I have a some opinions on AOC laws but that's a different thread.

No not real life but i have a teenage son and have had this conversation with his mother before. Most women agree with you and most men disagree. I want to believe both are the same but for whatever reason i just cant. I think if its a teacher its a gross abuse of power but if it was a 20 year old female neighbor that he basically grew up around i wouldnt want to ruin her life. Again if it was a 20 year old male i would want him to pay dearly. Its a hypocritical part of life i think alot are ok with being that way.

 

[Leigh]

No not real life but i have a teenage son and have had this conversation with his mother before. Most women agree with you and most men disagree. I want to believe both are the same but for whatever reason i just cant. I think if its a teacher its a gross abuse of power but if it was a 20 year old female neighbor that he basically grew up around i wouldnt want to ruin her life. Again if it was a 20 year old male i would want him to pay dearly. Its a hypocritical part of life i think alot are ok with being that way.

My response in a situation will usually be hypocritically different to what I think should be legal.