Raising kids when parents have differing religious beliefs

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Disciplined Galt

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That ain't fucking normal :( Thai parents tend to have a bit of a problem with people of darker persuasions but the kids don't know nor mind. Just parents making excuses for their own short-comings.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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Define "better." :)

Ill have a go at it in the interim, Churches/Temples et al that teach kids values are fine the problem is when they start teaching kids shit like "Jesus makes it rain" do you really want your kid to be the only fucktard fall of their seat when they are taught condensation, precipitation and evaporation?

That shit is plain branwashing, when kids have to stay with us over night cause their parents are busy they always tell them that they are going to africa to teach them about Jesus so they arent poor anymore, I then counter "brainwash" them by showing them the world map and explaining travel times, zones and distances

The best thing I was taught in catholic school by a brother was "This could all be bullshit mate, its the values you need to learn" that I can live with but telling kids that their parents faith is the only true one and that dead as a Dodo Jesus makes it rain is child abuse.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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That ain't fucking normal :( Thai parents tend to have a bit of a problem with people of darker persuasions but the kids don't know nor mind. Just parents making excuses for their own short-comings.
Yeah I read this a while ago when I was in TL and experienced it as well, Buddhist culture = Best culture
 

Leigh

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Define "better." :)
It was in reference to your comment:

"spending time with their mother at a Korean church can be looked at as a good thing in more ways than not."

I disagree. Anything positive the church can offer could be found somewhere else, without the negatives. Now, that is true of many activities and not a reason to necessarily discount it but let's not make out that going to church makes someone a better person than someone who doesn't.
 
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It was in reference to your comment:

"spending time with their mother at a Korean church can be looked at as a good thing in more ways than not."

I disagree. Anything positive the church can offer could be found somewhere else, without the negatives. Now, that is true of many activities and not a reason to necessarily discount it but let's not make out that going to church makes someone a better person than someone who doesn't.
We'll agree to disagree on the first bit and are in complete accord on the last bit.
 
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Ill have a go at it in the interim, Churches/Temples et al that teach kids values are fine the problem is when they start teaching kids shit like "Jesus makes it rain" do you really want your kid to be the only fucktard fall of their seat when they are taught condensation, precipitation and evaporation?

That shit is plain branwashing, when kids have to stay with us over night cause their parents are busy they always tell them that they are going to africa to teach them about Jesus so they arent poor anymore, I then counter "brainwash" them by showing them the world map and explaining travel times, zones and distances

The best thing I was taught in catholic school by a brother was "This could all be bullshit mate, its the values you need to learn" that I can live with but telling kids that their parents faith is the only true one and that dead as a Dodo Jesus makes it rain is child abuse.
I see what you're saying and do admit there are plenty of myopic and childishly simple viewpoints that get passed around as fact when it comes to religion. If left unquestioned then that's the point that shit becomes a cancer. Hopefully your counter-active measures increase quality together-time for you (plural).
 

Lord Vutulaki

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We'll agree to disagree on the first bit and are in complete accord on the last bit.
I see what you're saying and do admit there are plenty of myopic and childishly simple viewpoints that get passed around as fact when it comes to religion. If left unquestioned then that's the point that shit becomes a cancer. Hopefully your counter-active measures increase quality together-time for you (plural).
I kinda fucked up my last response where I meant to add that where I and I believe Leigh/Jons are coming from is that a scientific upbringing is better than a religious one, unfortunately with Christianity (Minus Catholicism) and I believe Judaism science and their beliefs are mutually exclusive

To leave a kid untaught/loved/nurtured is worse still than a religious upbringing.

Out of interest what faith if any do you belong to? apologies if its not something you want to discuss
 
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I kinda fucked up my last response where I meant to add that where I and I believe Leigh/Jons are coming from is that a scientific upbringing is better than a religious one, unfortunately with Christianity (Minus Catholicism) and I believe Judaism science and their beliefs are mutually exclusive

To leave a kid untaught/loved/nurtured is worse still than a religious upbringing.

Out of interest what faith if any do you belong to? apologies if its not something you want to discuss
Oh, okay, I see what you're saying and it makes a lot of sense. Sorry for not cluing in earlier :oops:
I don't belong to any faith, however I know plenty of decent human beings that do. My basic attitude is that it's all speculation so I happily avoid debates with them unless blatantly provoked or mocked (rare).
 

ThatOneDude

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I kinda fucked up my last response where I meant to add that where I and I believe Leigh/Jons are coming from is that a scientific upbringing is better than a religious one, unfortunately with Christianity (Minus Catholicism) and I believe Judaism science and their beliefs are mutually exclusive

To leave a kid untaught/loved/nurtured is worse still than a religious upbringing.

Out of interest what faith if any do you belong to? apologies if its not something you want to discuss
I was raised roman catholic
 

Lord Vutulaki

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Oh, okay, I see what you're saying and it makes a lot of sense. Sorry for not cluing in earlier :oops:
I don't belong to any faith, however I know plenty of decent human beings that do. My basic attitude is that it's all speculation so I happily avoid debates with them unless blatantly provoked or mocked (rare).
is scientific rigour speculation?
 

HEATH VON DOOM

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I get what you are saying. I just think fear is a shitty reason to do good.
Don't we really live our day to day life in fear? If we didn't have a fear of going to jail why not drink and drive. Doing good because you fear god is kinda lame but we live in a constant state of fear and don't even realize it. It may not be clown in the sewer fear but its still fear. Laws are put in place to dictate morality, you don't need to look at a bible for that.

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Don't we really live our day to day life in fear? If we didn't have a fear of going to jail why not drink and drive. Doing good because you fear god is kinda lame but we live in a constant state of fear and don't even realize it. It may not be clown in the sewer fear but its still fear. Laws are put in place to dictate morality, you don't need to look at a bible for that.

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Uhhh, I donno aboot you man, but I definitely do not live my life in fear. I don't do good things because I'm fearful, just like I don't not do bad things because I'm fearful.
 

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Uhhh, I donno aboot you man, but I definitely do not live my life in fear. I don't do good things because I'm fearful, just like I don't not do bad things because I'm fearful.
That's not what I'm saying, you don't live in fear as in scared to drive to work, but on the same hand why don't you drive 100 mph to work? Its because is dangerous and you don't want to deal with that ticket. There is a lot of things in life we don't do because of repercussions, not because we think its even wrong. How many people do you know that won't smoke pot just because its illegal?

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That's not what I'm saying, you don't live in fear as in scared to drive to work, but on the same hand why don't you drive 100 mph to work? Its because is dangerous and you don't want to deal with that ticket. There is a lot of things in life we don't do because of repercussions, not because we think its even wrong. How many people do you know that won't smoke pot just because its illegal?

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I think that's more a personal choice, that's very different imo from being a good person for fear of god...... Also I hit 90 on the way to work this morning.
 

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I think that's more a personal choice, that's very different imo from being a good person for fear of god...... Also I hit 90 on the way to work this morning.
People are just so accustomed to the everyday fear of the law that they don't even realize it.

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People are just so accustomed to the everyday fear of the law that they don't even realize it.

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I disagree. I do what I want as long as I'm not hurting anyone, it's worked out well so far for me.
 
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That's not what I'm saying, you don't live in fear as in scared to drive to work, but on the same hand why don't you drive 100 mph to work? Its because is dangerous and you don't want to deal with that ticket. There is a lot of things in life we don't do because of repercussions, not because we think its even wrong. How many people do you know that won't smoke pot just because its illegal?

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That may be true but then we have to start with categorizing fear. I mean I fear killing someone or myself so I don't drive after drinking but I also fear sharks so I turn the light on when I use the toilette at night and I fear rejection so I never told that one woman how I really felt (that one was probably for the better as I have horrible judgment with women). For me those are all different kinds of fears and only one of them is rational.
is scientific rigour speculation?
If we get right down to it, everything is speculation. That being said, I don't know if that was the spirit of your question. I would say it isn't until new laws and principles are overturned and or discovered. But I'm not exactly a scientician :/
 

Leigh

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If we didn't have a fear of going to jail why not drink and drive.
Because it's reckless and dangerous and I might kill myself and/or others.

You're implying that the reason you don't drink and drive is because you are afraid of legal repercussions. That's pretty sociopathic.
 

ThatOneDude

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Because it's reckless and dangerous and I might kill myself and/or others.

You're implying that the reason you don't drink and drive is because you are afraid of legal repercussions. That's pretty sociopathic.
Agreed. It amazes me people can't see the difference.
 

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Agreed. It amazes me people can't see the difference.
As much as I agree with your sentiment, I know a lot more people who don't do thing because they're afraid of getting in trouble or do things because they won't get into much trouble than people who do things because it's right. Of course I suppose if human beings could be trusted to do the right thing we wouldn't need laws.
 

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As much as I agree with your sentiment, I know a lot more people who don't do thing because they're afraid of getting in trouble or do things because they won't get into much trouble than people who do things because it's right. Of course I suppose if human beings could be trusted to do the right thing we wouldn't need laws.
That actually falls right in line with what I'm saying. Some people are pieces of shit to their core. If you removed laws and religion, would those same people still be good? Doesn't sound like it from what you've said.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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That actually falls right in line with what I'm saying. Some people are pieces of shit to their core. If you removed laws and religion, would those same people still be good? Doesn't sound like it from what you've said.
I don't always answer a question, with a question, but you've seen humans at their absolute worst. Do you believe removing societal constraints would make the world a better, or worse place?
 

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I don't always answer a question, with a question, but you've seen humans at their absolute worst. Do you believe removing societal constraints would make the world a better, or worse place?
Hmmmmmm, that's a really interesting question. Let me ponder it a bit and give you a decent answer. Or if Leigh @Leigh wants to come in and give his opinion I'll just defer to him.