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[jason73]

 

[member 1013]

If that oil money had been reinvested in research then perhaps we wouldn't be singing the blues right now. But it's not too late, Finland is an example of a country in which the politicians made the right decision long ago and that decision was to invest in education. Whether it be trade school, a poly-technical institution or university, if a Canadian was guaranteed free-post secondary education dependent on their academic performance then we'd see a huge turn around over the course of 10 years. But no one has the guts to do it and everyone who's had to pay through the nose for their education somehow thinks the next generation should as well.

We have Massive resources and that means the potential for massive industry gains....the sooner we get creative, the better.

Absolutely, but you would have to re-write the constitution, the oil money is Alberta's as all resources and their profits are under provincial jurisdiction.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I fucking hate Blue Rodeo

Congratulations?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Absolutely, but you would have to re-write the constitution, the oil money is Alberta's as all resources and their profits are under provincial jurisdiction.

Although true, I find it funny. When oil went through the roof and the other provinces asked for a little relief, we got told to pound sand. Now that the shoes on the other foot though...

 

[member 1013]

Although true, I find it funny. When oil went through the roof and the other provinces asked for a little relief, we got told to pound sand. Now that the shoes on the other foot though...

I agree 100% and all my "true Bertan" friends get mad when you point it out to them.

Jerkface mcgees

 

[1031]

1) Bro, come on now. This isn't the US, we really can't make the same complaints. University is cheap. How much cheaper does it need to get? Surely users can chip in a couple of bucks. We're not talking 30k per semester here.

2) We already are exporting a lot of resources. In what way could we be more creative?

3) What do you mean "if that oil money had been reinvested in research then perhaps we wouldn't be singing the blues"? The oil industry has made big technological gains in recent decades. The entire oil sands now uses less than 1% of the annual Athabasca river flow and quickly recycles 85%+ of what it uses. Refining is much more efficient now.

I ask this respectfully, of course...

1) Sorry but no no and no, that is the exact opposite mentality of investing in education. The point of investing in education is to make it accessible to everyone as long as they pull their weight academically. There would be a couple things that happen from that:
i) Increased academic competition for available spots
ii) An increase in educational institutions

You might even see an improvement to our public education systems. Have you ever met European kids? By and large, our teens are f'n dunces compared to them.

2) That's not a very creative attitude. Look how, once the market turns, we end up fucked. Why they hell have we allowed ourselves to become so dependent on exports? Why don't we do a little more R&D on how to be a bit more self-sufficient? What do we produce that the rest of the world wants?

3) I meant alternative energy sources. Is refining really 85% more efficient now? That's impressive, if so.

 

[WEWEREONABREAK]

1) Sorry but no no and no, that is the exact opposite mentality of investing in education. The point of investing in education is to make it accessible to everyone as long as they pull their weight academically. There would be a couple things that happen from that:
i) Increased academic competition for available spots
ii) An increase in educational institutions

You might even see an improvement to our public education systems. Have you ever met European kids? By and large, our teens are f'n dunces compared to them.

2) That's not a very creative attitude. Look how, once the market turns, we end up fucked. Why they hell have we allowed ourselves to become so dependent on exports? Why don't we do a little more R&D on how to be a bit more self-sufficient? What do we produce that the rest of the world wants?

3) I meant alternative energy sources. Is refining really 85% more efficient now? That's impressive, if so.

1) Dude, please. University is accessible to basically everyone. I'm sorry but that's a fact. This is Canada. My father's family was on welfare after his father died and he recieved a graduate level education.

2) You're not making any sense. You're just suggesting vague direction. We should have "invested." In what way did we not and how could we have done more. Specifics, not Liberal Party talking points.

3) Again "creative". What could the government have done differently? Not allow the oil to be removed so we could base our economy on something else? You can't just look at our oil high and use that as an economic baseline. The oil is a bonus. Most of what could be done without oil was already being done by people with it. Suncor isn't going to go into the restaurant business not that the price of oil is low and diversify our economy.

4) Research gets done, even if you don't hear about it. Alternative energy sources are nowhere near where they need to be right now to replace oil. And neither is battery technology. Both are improving, they're just not ready yet.

But it's important to remember some never will be. For example, due to physical contraints that aren't technologically related, there must be a minimum separation between wind turbines. If not, the turbines at the back of the field won't spin. So with minimum spacing, it would take something like 200 Manhattan's worth of turbine fields to power Manhattan alone. And that's with constant wind, which never happens.

 

[1031]

1) Dude, please. University is accessible to basically everyone. I'm sorry but that's a fact. This is Canada. My father's family was on welfare after his father died and he recieved a graduate level education.

2) You're not making any sense. You're just suggesting vague direction. We should have "invested." In what way did we not and how could we have done more. Specifics, not Liberal Party talking points.

3) Again "creative". What could the government have done differently? Not allow the oil to be removed so we could base our economy on something else? You can't just look at our oil high and use that as an economic baseline. The oil is a bonus. Most of what could be done without oil was already being done by people with it. Suncor isn't going to go into the restaurant business not that the price of oil is low and diversify our economy.

4) Research gets done, even if you don't hear about it. Alternative energy sources are nowhere near where they need to be right now to replace oil. And neither is battery technology. Both are improving, they're just not ready yet.

But it's important to remember some never will be. For example, due to physical contraints that aren't technologically related, there must be a minimum separation between wind turbines. If not, the turbines at the back of the field won't spin. So with minimum spacing, it would take something like 200 Manhattan's worth of turbine fields to power Manhattan alone. And that's with constant wind, which never happens.

1. You are arguing something different but you're still wrong. Your anecdote, while touching, comes from a different economy with different inflation levels and a different job market. I am saying it should be 100% subsidized through taxation. This would make education a MAJOR issue for Canadians and we'd be better off for it.
2-4. Just because you can't make any sense of something, doesn't mean it isn't there. I don't have all the answers but do you honestly think all that oil money was well spent?
Do you think the majority of the profits in the last 15 years were invested in a way that benefited the country, province(s) or people?
Is it just bad luck that the dollar is low and no one, at least no one conservative mismanaged anything? Is that where we are now, one of us has to represent the blue team and one the red? Please take that American/polarized attitude out of this conversation, it's stupid and divisive.

Was not investing in alternative energy development a good idea? Maybe a break through would have been made and maybe not but it's asinine to argue against research into more sustainable energy creation just as it's asinine to argue against investing in education.

But regarding the future would you suggest spending LESS on education and make it less of an issue?

 

[WEWEREONABREAK]

1. You are arguing something different but you're still wrong. Your anecdote, while touching, comes from a different economy with different inflation levels and a different job market. I am saying it should be 100% subsidized through taxation. This would make education a MAJOR issue for Canadians and we'd be better off for it.
2-4. Just because you can't make any sense of something, doesn't mean it isn't there. I don't have all the answers but do you honestly think all that oil money was well spent?
Do you think the majority of the profits in the last 15 years were invested in a way that benefited the country, province(s) or people?
Is it just bad luck that the dollar is low and no one, at least no one conservative mismanaged anything? Is that where we are now, one of us has to represent the blue team and one the red? Please take that American/polarized attitude out of this conversation, it's stupid and divisive.

Was not investing in alternative energy development a good idea? Maybe a break through would have been made and maybe not but it's asinine to argue against research into more sustainable energy creation just as it's asinine to argue against investing in education.

But regarding the future would you suggest spending LESS on education and make it less of an issue?

1) Ok, you're just going to state that I'm wrong and provide no evidence. We'd be better off "because". Got it. Canadians on welfare being able to get graduate level educations isn't enough. I'm just "wrong" "because".

2) Do I think profits were well spent? I don't know. How were they spent? Oh, you don't know. How do I know you don't know? Because every post you make is like a political speech. We need to "invest". We need to "be creative". You're not saying anything specific. You refuse to.

3) As I said, research happens, whether you read about it or not. You can go on

Nanotechnology News - Current Month's News

a website I sporadically use for interesting news and look for solar tech stuff. Stop being sour about research not happening. It has been happening around the world this entire time, you just didn't know about it.

4) It's not up to the government to decide how profits derived from business are used beyond the amounts they tax. Are profits from the restaurant industry being used to "benefit the country"? Yes, they're being used to benefit the restaurant owners and employees, as in any other industry. They're providing a service that people want at a price they're willing to pay.


5) I DID NOT argue against alternative energy research. If you're going to pretend I said things I didn't say then I'm sorry but fuck this.

 

[1031]

1) Ok, you're just going to state that I'm wrong and provide no evidence. We'd be better off "because". Got it. Canadians on welfare being able to get graduate level educations isn't enough. I'm just "wrong" "because".

That is not what I wrote. But trying to claim education is available (do you mean affordable?) to all and will be in the future simply because your grandfather died and then your father went to school is not a valid point. More to the point, if our economy was stronger while being diversified, there would be fewer instances of welfare. There is an attitude shift that needs to happen. Canadians are individually not very good competitors and it is large part the result of an education system that coddles, tolerates failure and accommodates laziness. If you think I'm a "liberal" then have I got news for you.

1) 2) Do I think profits were well spent? I don't know. How were they spent? Oh, you don't know. How do I know you don't know? Because every post you make is like a political speech. We need to "invest". We need to "be creative". You're not saying anything specific. You refuse to.

Slow down there partner, I'm not trying to play "gotcha" and the sooner you put that attitude to the side, the better. I admitted I don't have the answers but look around. Is that really what this is about, that someone had dared to criticise without having all the answers for you? Does this really have to be a "someone's got to be wrong"- type of discussion?

Anyhow, look at which countries are leaders in technology and ask why Canada isn't up there at the top of every category. It's a question of will and there has obviously been a lack of sufficient investment in the future. If you want to pretend otherwise then that's up to you but why is there a thread about our economic woes? Mull it over a day or two.

3) I don't know why you're trying to make this personal or pretend that I have said research isn't happening around the world.

4) That's a fair point regarding restaurants but when it comes to national resources, we are dealing with something different. Those resources belong to you and me and everyone else. Of course someone has to exploit those resources and get their fair share of profits for doing so. BUT they are national resources and therefore, at some long-term level, should benefit the people of the nation...or province.
But let's not pretend the government at a national or provincial level has nothing to do with anything. You and I both know that deals are made in the back rooms and that, in part, is why we're not much further along now than when oil was expensive.

5) I DID NOT argue against alternative energy research. If you're going to pretend I said things I didn't say then I'm sorry but fuck this.

Well my apologies then my good man. Don't take it so hard. You had been rattling on about why alternative energy sources are limited and didn't seem very keen on them at all. But okay, I misinterpreted your intended meaning.

Now, what about education? Seeing as you've been so set on getting answers and giving specifics then please get on with it. You took issue with my suggestion that an increased investment and prioritization of education would ease our woes in the future. Well then, would you suggest less is spent on education? Why/Why not?

 

[Shy Guy]

If it makes you feel any better, my city thinks it's the new Austin Texas but all of the tech jobs are being taken by Carnegie Mellon grads or transplants that will leave the city as soon as they came here. The economic rebound in America is greatly exaggerated.

 

[member 1013]

That's my house in the top picture.

 

[Teen Gohan]

How many of you phaggots are located in the penis? Be honest.

 

[WEWEREONABREAK]

That is not what I wrote. But trying to claim education is available (do you mean affordable?) to all and will be in the future simply because your grandfather died and then your father went to school is not a valid point.

It absolutely is and flies in the face of your still baseless claim that university isn't affordable enough.

More to the point, if our economy was stronger while being diversified, there would be fewer instances of welfare.

This is what I'm talking about when I say you're being vague. Our economy is diverse and has been for years.

"The entire energy sector - oil, gas, hydro, nuclear, the works - today adds up to just over 9% of GDP. It was 10% when Harper took office."

-National Post - Today

And I don't add that to be partisan and try to claim Harper is some great PM. I'm just saying, we haven't been focused into oil like you're claiming. We are almost exactly where we were in 2006 in terms of diversification of our economy.

There is an attitude shift that needs to happen. Canadians are individually not very good competitors and it is large part the result of an education system that coddles, tolerates failure and accommodates laziness. If you think I'm a "liberal" then have I got news for you.

No, in general, I agree with you there. But then, I don't think university is the answer to that. Few people actually NEED to go to university and too many people go as it is. A lot of them graduate and can't find jobs where they can put their educations to work. This is a known phenomenon.

And, fwiw, I didn't say liberal in the abstract, partisan sense. I said Liberal Party talking points because what you said there, I'm sorry, sounded as vague as the stuff Trudeau has been saying.

Slow down there partner, I'm not trying to play "gotcha" and the sooner you put that attitude to the side, the better. I admitted I don't have the answers but look around. Is that really what this is about, that someone had dared to criticise without having all the answers for you? Does this really have to be a "someone's got to be wrong"- type of discussion?

No, but if you're not going to say anything other than I'm right and you're wrong then what are we doing?

Anyhow, look at which countries are leaders in technology and ask why Canada isn't up there at the top of every category. It's a question of will and there has obviously been a lack of sufficient investment in the future. If you want to pretend otherwise then that's up to you but why is there a thread about our economic woes? Mull it over a day or two.

The condescension of the last sentence aside, what is it exactly that you want from us? We're a country of 35-36 million people. Why should we be "at the top of every category"?

3) I don't know why you're trying to make this personal or pretend that I have said research isn't happening around the world.

I'm not trying to make this personal. I'm pointing out that you're making vague complaints and not saying anything specific, other than that whatever is happening is something you're not happy about and that things should be different. Ok, how? Specifically.

4) That's a fair point regarding restaurants but when it comes to national resources, we are dealing with something different. Those resources belong to you and me and everyone else. Of course someone has to exploit those resources and get their fair share of profits for doing so. BUT they are national resources and therefore, at some long-term level, should benefit the people of the nation...or province.
But let's not pretend the government at a national or provincial level has nothing to do with anything. You and I both know that deals are made in the back rooms and that, in part, is why we're not much further along now than when oil was expensive.

Society has benefitted from that extraction. The very fact that you're complaining about a drop in that industry hurting our economy so badly should prove that to you. You can't say there was no benefit and then complain about all the jobs lost when the industry takes a dive.

Well my apologies then my good man. Don't take it so hard. You had been rattling on about why alternative energy sources are limited and didn't seem very keen on them at all. But okay, I misinterpreted your intended meaning.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I am keen on them. They're just not ready yet. And some don't work.

Now, what about education? Seeing as you've been so set on getting answers and giving specifics then please get on with it. You took issue with my suggestion that an increased investment and prioritization of education would ease our woes in the future. Well then, would you suggest less is spent on education? Why/Why not?

I didn't suggest spending less on education. You said we should spend more. I disagreed. I think it's already affordable and too many people are doing it.

 

[member 1013]

How many of you phaggots are located in the penis? Be honest.

About 11-12 million IIRC

 

[1031]

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Whatever you say man...real pleasure exchanging thoughts with you.

 

[Lamont Cranston]

How many of you phaggots are located in the penis? Be honest.

Which Penis?