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Greek777

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"I don't think steroids should be banned for a broken leg"

He was not taking them for his broken leg. What he was taking well over a YEAR after the injury occurred has ZERO effect on his leg. Do you REALLY think it's a coincidence that he was caught using the EXACT SAME DRUGS as other people in his camp, kwith the same "strength trainer" who has clearly abused steroids for his entire adult life?



Did those same guys have broken legs too? No? Then why did they take the exact same illegal drug that Anderson did and got caught? Maybe it's actually because people in his gym use that drug for the benefits it provides in a fight and training - NOT to heal broken bones?

He was taking PEDs for the exact same reason every other fighter who uses them does. To get an unfair advantage over your competitor by using drugs deemed illegal because of the way they alter your strength, hormone levels, and all around ability to perform.

Not only dd he already have a natural advantage over Nick - a SMALL welterweight who had not fought in 2 years - he had a dangerous chemically enhanced advantage that allowed his near 40 year old body to train harder, recover faster, be stronger, etc. What he took over a year after his injury (and during the entire time he was out, and probably during his entire career) has ZERO to do with "healing a broken leg".

People who don't know anything about this should not even chime in. It's ridiculous that anyone could be so blind to actually support the "broken leg" argument.

Do you know how old Anderson was in these pictures? His late 20s. A man's physical prime







Now do you know how old he is in these pictures? His late 30s.












Isn't it crazy how a guy can go from being 28 years old, fighting at his natural weight of 165 lbs

Then in his LATE 30s, gain enough mass that he WALKS AROUND (his own admission) at 220lbs off season? And is between 200-210 lbs on the night of his fights?

How many men in their 30s add 30-40 lbs of mass? While going through all of the strenuous, immense daily training that being an elite level MMA fighter requires?

NO ONE. If they are clean, anyway. The human body works a certain way. You don't get better, stronger, faster, etc at age 35 naturally.

This drives me insane. I was a huge supporter of Silva his whole career. But people actually believe what he is saying? That it was all a big mistake and accident???
All of these things are coincidences (his steroid riddled trainer, the training partners popping for the same drug, the fact he was not that great of a fighter until his 30s when he suddenly became faster than anyone else, etc)

Yeah, all a big coincidence. Honest mistake. He just did it to heal his broken leg, guys. 13 months after he broke it, with drugs that have zero effect on bone strength/stability/density.. Is normal.


 

ChaosOverkill

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Yeah I don't think any of the leg rehab stuff is likely and I'm trying to extend that further by asking, "Ok, as far as I know you could have gotten a TUE to rehab with it, so why not cover your ass if it was all about the leg?"

Hope someone asks him or his lawyer that. I'm not sure what angle Rogan thinks is going to make people think differently without fully buying into the leg angle.

Hopefully he's got more than his leg and fear and "My son he cry"...
 

jason73

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steroids should not be banned for a broken leg.this doesnt mean silva didnt use way after this was a legit excuse.it doesnt even mean it has to be silvas leg.all im trying to say is there are legit medical applications for steroids.out of competition testing kinda puts that into a grey area.i do not support anyone testing positive during camp or post fight but to repair a serious injury where steroids would be used to treat the general public should not be illegal.
 

Pitbull9

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Funny how he took those "supplements" 14 months after his leg break occurred. Guess that was all just to "heal".

It's unbelievable that he is acting this way about it. Personally I don't care if he took PEDs that much but it's the lying and trying to cover it up like it was some honest mistake that we should pity him over because he broke his leg. Complete bullshit, praying on the naive fans who know nothing of the subject, know nothing about what he took, when he took it, how long it stays in your system, what it does, etc. I used to have pictures of Anderson Silva on my wall. They're gone now. I know no one cares but guess what I'm not the only one...

The only people who will continue to support him as he lies and reads off stupid prepared statements that are full of shit, are nut hugger fans who don't care what a fighter does because they are his fan, and people that are too naive to understand the deal. People who don't get how this all works, how he was NEVER tested out of camp before, how taking what he took 13 months after his leg break has ZERO effect on his injury at all.. The whole "yes I cheated, but I didn't actually do it to cheat" excuse drives me FUCKING INSANE. It's the worst approach you can ever take.

If he was to man up about it and just tell the truth it'd go way better. If he said "I took them because I'm near 40 years old, thought my career was over and I was desperate. I wanted to do anything to get back to my old self and after the injury I feared I would be a shell of what I once was, so I made a mistake in judgement and went on a PED routine for over a year to try and reach the level I was once at"

But he will never say that. The whole "I did it because I broke my leg" thing is fucking ridiculous. His leg broke in December 2013. He was on the shit as late as December of 2014, if not January of 2015. All proven by the positive tests.

It's an insult to my intelligence and any other person who knows how this all works. I'm not going to give him sympathy when he is lying through his teeth.

First it was "I have nothing to say because I don't understand this. I took nothing and there must be a mistake at the lab". Now it's "I only did it to heal my broken leg.. Even though it was healed for well over 6 months before my fight"

Fuck outta here with that shit. From legend to loser.
Love this motherfucker! lol
 

dacofty

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But that's the point of TUE and why they exist, is for someone like him to go to a commission with proof, the reason TRT tue's were stopped because it was on the word of a Doctor that these guys needed it. All it needed was for some low test number and a doctor to certify he needed it.

With a broken leg or something as serious, it's physical proof and if he's asking for "A therapeutic amount" it's the basis for an exemption which would be carefully monitored.

He is making the same argument essentially, I never hear one way or another from anyone who deals with commissions if they are or are not in fact still allowed on the single use carefully monitored therapeutic amount through concrete proof of a medical issue.

If not I'm looking for the source language it isn't to answer both mine and the original question someone posed about it.

Hen didnt have. Fight that soon if his leg wasn't ready, he was walking on it fine but to take PEDs to get back in the ring will not be a valid reason.
 

Mad Dog

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He cheated based on the current rules. Ban him and move on. Nobody needs to hear him making excuses.
 

ChaosOverkill

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Hen didnt have. Fight that soon if his leg wasn't ready, he was walking on it fine but to take PEDs to get back in the ring will not be a valid reason.
Except that the Olympics have TUE's which would mean applying to use something on the WADA list for a medical reason for a certain amount of time before the Olympics. I'm just trying to figure out more about the framework of both systems OLYMPIC and NSAC. They aren't outright disallowed, you just have to make a certain type of case, for a certain set on the WADA list that could be used for a medical purpose with a certain type of proof.

Not saying Silva COULD even have done that here, only that his argument is directly countered by the concept of TUE and ONLY IF they are a reality for the drugs he used, I'm just trying to find anyone who knows enough about commission policy or find it through research.

"Well it was only for this and the Doctor..."

Is countered with:

"Well why the fuck didn't you even TRY to get a treatment approved by TUE during your rehab for this?" (IF Like the IOC seems to provide, NSAC has TUE's)
 
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ThatOneDude

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Unfortunately I don't even think NSAC knows enough about NSAC's own policies
 

GJdeux

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Didn't he already say that he didn't know how they showed up in his system, then changed that story-now this? Can the commission bring that up at all, or do they just have to go with the stuff that is presented at the hearing. Do they have attorneys at these hearings? Will be interesting for sure. But even if he did lie I'm not sure if that will matter in the decision process.
 

ChaosOverkill

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Didn't he already say that he didn't know how they showed up in his system, then changed that story-now this? Can the commission bring that up at all, or do they just have to go with the stuff that is presented at the hearing. Do they have attorneys at these hearings? Will be interesting for sure. But even if he did lie I'm not sure if that will matter in the decision process.
I assume "Can be used against you" has to come into play, even if this isn't an arrest.

"Is this quote correct? That you initially denied this? How do you respond to that and the supposition that you are changing the story now and why should we believe you?"

Although this all started with "Why the hell were the results 'fumbled and delay' till after the fight?" so we are dealing with people that are playing up potential corruption as incompetence despite being one of the older commissions in sports so who the hell knows what will come of this, what the Fritatas want to happen, and who they paid for it to happen. The fact that some Zuffa people are trying to soften this and create sympathy despite their "Press conference" about getting hard on PED's suggests Zuffa wants to get Silva off the hook as much as possible, perhaps in exchange for a promise from Silva to comeback and fight more despite "His son he cry"
 

Mertvaya Ruka

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And TRT TUE's were asking for an ongoing amount which were opening up for unnatural results.

and the fact that they even allowed that type in the first place "To return to normal test" in the intended form, suggest TUE's exist and was the basis for the original question.

This would be a one time use of amounts not comparable to a cycle to be used in strengthening the leg back to the use he had in it before.


To me the whole thing is still wonky, especially the use of Temazepam etc, as "Muscle relaxers" stretches his explanation further and outside of what would be a reasonable TUE demand in any scenario. So either

A. There are none for this stuff or left in MMA, and he's guilty and lying about all of this.
B. There are and his doctor and him never asked.
C. There are and it would not have been approved regardless and they are trying to act as if it would they were doing the equivalent anyway and should be excused or reduced in punishment as a caveat.

I'm trying to to figure out which one is the case.
So far it seems to me he pushed to come back way too quick, why not take 6 more months to get your shit sorted out, why the rush and need to use banned substances?

Either way you cut it, it was in his system, he didn't disclose it, got caught and that just sucks.

He's preparing to face the charges like a defendant in court with his "experts" which is laughable at this point.

Perhaps Brazilians will buy that shit but he's not fooling anyone else.
 

ChaosOverkill

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So far it seems to me he pushed to come back way too quick, why not take 6 more months to get your shit sorted out, why the rush and need to use banned substances?

Either way you cut it, it was in his system, he didn't disclose it, got caught and that just sucks.

He's preparing to face the charges like a defendant in court with his "experts" which is laughable at this point.

Perhaps Brazilians will buy that shit but he's not fooling anyone else.
Oh I don't believe him trust me, it's just the only part of this I am curious about in general and in terms of commission.

The only reason I could see that would make Rogan say stuff like "a reason that changes you opinion" is if he told the UFC he wasn't ready to come back but got pressured into it and can prove it, but under that scenario, I don't see the UFC "standing behind him" but who knows, but still 99% of me says this is crap, stop the dog and pony show and take your licks before this swallows your legacy further.
 

Greek777

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I honestly don't care about the PED thing but it's like.. don't try to play innocent, that bigbald black Mr Clean looking motherfucker was your hookup Andy, we all know, please don't play dumb with me
 

Zeph

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I honestly don't care about the PED thing but it's like.. don't try to play innocent, that bigbald black Mr Clean looking motherfucker was your hookup Andy, we all know, please don't play dumb with me
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