Holm frustrated by criticism of her manager

[Atto]

I can appreciate @Cerberus's dedication to rustling jimmies via subtle trolling. But I think @Atto is dead serious with his love for all things Ronda, and borderline fighter bashing of Miesha and Holly. To each their own I guess, but ffs...a little perspective. These are 3 chics you don't know personally, are likely never going to meet, and who probably wouldn't even have the courtesy of responding to a tweet you sent them.

Just sayin....

I am not in love with everything about Ronda . when people were saying she was a great boxer and she could go in boxing and be champ , i thought was funny. same as few days ago when people thought Holly is indestructible . Now let me be clear to u, Ronda is 100 times better than Holly , it was just 1 bad night. You all are so in love with Holly because you hate Ronda so you can't think clearly. Miesha is an average fighter whats wrong with that? she got destroyed by Zingano , Ronda . Put Holly against Zingano and you will see how she is puts Holly to sleep.. I don't tweet nor i would care if they never responded to my tweet , if i was in their shoes i would not respond either.

 

[Wild]

I am not in love with everything about Ronda . when people were saying she was a great boxer and she could go in boxing and be champ , i thought was funny. same as few days ago when people thought Holly is indestructible . Now let me be clear to u, Ronda is 100 times better than Holly , it was just 1 bad night. You all are so in love with Holly because you hate Ronda so you can't think clearly. Miesha is an average fighter whats wrong with that? she got destroyed by Zingano , Ronda . Put Holly against Zingano and you will see how she is puts Holly to sleep.. I don't tweet nor i would care if they never responded to my tweet , if i was in their shoes i would not respond either.

Who's you all? I dont love Holly, or Miesha, and although I think Edmond is somewhat of a bullshitter...I didn't hate Ronda. I thought Ronda needed a good humbling, but I wasn't blinded by any sort of emotion. I'm too old to get emotionally invested in much more than my family and work lol.

I will admit however, I do enjoy seeing fighters with overly obnoxious fanbases take a loss at times, because I tend to believe their fans could use a good lesson in humility. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.

I also believe you can be a fan of certain fighters without shitting on others. I liken this to Kentucky basketball fans. They are incapable of simply giving opposing teams credit. It never fails. When they lose, the excuses always start flying. The reason Kentucky lost isn't because their opponent played great, or was a bad matchup...it was because Kentucky was disinterested, or the refs shafted them, or whatever. I think a more respectful approach is, give the other team credit and cheer your team on the next game.

 

[Narcosynthesis]

Yes it is which is my point, so not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing. MMA is more like:

Only one of those fighters has finished 7 of the top 10 ranked fighters in the division in the 1st round though and the current champion twice.

My point is one bad fight in a career doesn't mean a fighter isn't as good as the one who beat her, as you claim.

Its too early to claim rock, paper, scissors and everyone is forgetting Nunes who has the well rounded skills to beat anyone in the division if she improves her cardio.

 

[La Paix]

I am not in love with everything about Ronda . when people were saying she was a great boxer and she could go in boxing and be champ , i thought was funny. same as few days ago when people thought Holly is indestructible . Now let me be clear to u, Ronda is 100 times better than Holly , it was just 1 bad night. You all are so in love with Holly because you hate Ronda so you can't think clearly. Miesha is an average fighter whats wrong with that? she got destroyed by Zingano , Ronda . Put Holly against Zingano and you will see how she is puts Holly to sleep.. I don't tweet nor i would care if they never responded to my tweet , if i was in their shoes i would not respond either.

This is an example of my earlier post. Even though Tate lost to Ronda she still was one get Rouseys toughest test so why call her average? How does this help elevate Ronda to this superhero status we've been hearing when her second hardest fight is against someone's who just average?

The Ronda issues are hilarious at times, she wipes out a division and fans call it shallow and the Rousey supporters get mad saying give her credit because she's just that much better. Ronda loses and then its a plethora of reasons/excuses about 1 bad night, busy schedule, poor game plan. Her arch nemesis beats the girl who beat her and now Holly's one and done washed up and lost to a girl that's now average even though if you called her that after Ronda snapped her arm you were a Ronda hater cause you didn't give her due credit..... Round and round it goes.

*SMH*

Again, all three of these ladies are at the top of their game and we've just seen that all are championship material given the opportunity. MMA math is a tool, not thee tool to speculate fights .

 

[Narcosynthesis]

I will admit however, I do enjoy seeing fighters with overly obnoxious fanbases take a loss at times, because I tend to believe their fans could use a good lesson in humility. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.

I also believe you can be a fan of certain fighters without shitting on others.

No one is more obnoxious than a hater of a fighter and I've found its rare to find a hater who can get his or her point across without completely shitting on a fighter.

 

[Narcosynthesis]

This is an example of my earlier post. Even though Tate lost to Ronda she still was one get Rouseys toughest test so why call her average? How does this help elevate Ronda to this superhero status we've been hearing when her second hardest fight is against someone's who just average?

The Ronda issues are hilarious at times, she wipes out a division and fans call it shallow and the Rousey supporters get mad saying give her credit because she's just that much better. Ronda loses and then its a plethora of reasons/excuses about 1 bad night, busy schedule, poor game plan. Her arch nemesis beats the girl who beat her and now Holly's one and done washed up and lost to a girl that's now average even though if you called her that after Ronda snapped her arm you were a Ronda hater cause you didn't give her due credit..... Round and round it goes.

*SMH*

Again, all three of these ladies are at the top of their game and we've just seen that all are championship material given the opportunity. MMA math is a tool, not thee tool to speculate fights .

I find its better to watch the fights and try to be as objective as possible. It's why I gave Holly a chance to beat Ronda because of the contrasting styles, when no one else was. The same thing with Miesha. Her strength was wrestling. That's how she was going to win or lose. It's simple to watch the tape and visualize how fights are going to go based on style match ups. It's not perfect though because no one can account for the mental, physical and emotional state of a fighter leading up to a fight and sometimes shit just happens but that's what makes watching fights so fun.

People overreact when a fighter wins or loses and I know in my case I often overstate things in reaction to someone else overstating things. I feel it levels the discussion to a certain point, though I'm always outnumbered when it comes to defending Ronda or anyone associated with her in any way.

 

[Narcosynthesis]

I can appreciate @Cerberus's dedication to rustling jimmies via subtle trolling. But I think @Atto is dead serious with his love for all things Ronda, and borderline fighter bashing of Miesha and Holly. To each their own I guess, but ffs...a little perspective. These are 3 chics you don't know personally, are likely never going to meet, and who probably wouldn't even have the courtesy of responding to a tweet you sent them.

Just sayin....

I've met Ronda. She's a very personable person who appears to really care about people. I think that's why I like her, besides her being a bad ass. She didn't come across as having a "celebrity" mentality like she's above everyone else because "she's so great".

 

[soundoff71]

yes beat herself running in like a bull with no game plan whatsoever . Holly couldn't even finish an average fighter like Miesha and this just proves once again that Ronda beat herself

Average? Miesha 18-5 & on a 5 win streak. 2 of those 5 losses were to Ronda. She has show a Frankie Edgar-like ability to come back from adversity. Like Edgar, she is undersized for her weight class & can still give any girl hell on any given night.

Look at some of her wins. She beat McMann with a busted eye socket. She knocked Jessica Eye, a superior boxer, on her ass & whooped that (sweet) ass for 3 rounds. She might have even survived against Cat & won that one, too if she would've had the chance.

I've said many times before that if Zuffa had even the slightest bit foresight & creativity, they would've built a 125 female division around Miesha. She would most likely rule at '25. And yet, despite being an undersized '35er, she beat the lineal champ in spectacular & dramatic fashion.

You can argue about the level of talent, or that the women are that the Royce Gracie/Mo Smith stage off MMA, but by no means is Miesha an average fighter.

Oh, & she's hot as a mutherfucker & drives me absolutely insane.

 

[soundoff71]

Ronda is by far, no doubt, the best grappler in the division, years upon years of experience ahead of Holly.

Just in their fight, Ronda got out grappled. It happens, even if it was very very limited.

There's that saying that a black belt loses a belt with every good hit. Holly had already knocked Ronda into semi-tardation before she out-grappled her & took her down.

 

[Narcosynthesis]

Average? Miesha 18-5 & on a 5 win streak. 2 of those 5 losses were to Ronda. She has show a Frankie Edgar-like ability to come back from adversity. Like Edgar, she is undersized for her weight class & can still give any girl hell on any given night.

Look at some of her wins. She beat McMann with a busted eye socket.

Miesha V. McMann was a razor thin decision.where it could be argued McMann won 2 rounds before Miesha laid on her for the entire 3rd round. I gave the fight to McMann and if anything it should have been a draw if the last round was scored a 10-8. Miesha got the victory but it was a split decision.

She knocked Jessica Eye, a superior boxer, on her ass & whooped that (sweet) ass for 3 rounds.

I agree with you. She beat Jessica Eye fair and square at what Eye does best and showed a noticeable improvement in her striking and foot movement. This fight made it clear Miesha was working hard to improve her stand up skills and it later played a huge role in her beating Holly.

She might have even survived against Cat & won that one, too if she would've had the chance.

Cat beat her bloody. The same thing you're saying about Miesha showing an "Edgar-like ability to come back from adversity" is what Cat showed in this fight because she lost the first 2 rounds badly.

I've said many times before that if Zuffa had even the slightest bit foresight & creativity, they would've built a 125 female division around Miesha. She would most likely rule at '25. And yet, despite being an undersized '35er, she beat the lineal champ in spectacular & dramatic fashion.

Break out the lube and tissue because.....

“There’s not going to be a division for a while, but the next division when there is one will be 125,” White said when asked if the organization will ever add a female heavyweight division. “So I’ll have a 115, 125 and 135."

Next UFC weight class to be added? Female 125-pound flyweights

You can argue about the level of talent, or that the women are that the Royce Gracie stage/Mo Smith stage off MMA, but by no means is Miesha an average fighter.

The reason I think Miesha is an average fighter is because she doesn't excel at any one skill. She's tough as nails, no doubt but her wrestling and grappling are average and though her stand up has improved a lot over the last couple of fights she's not finishing fights by strikes. She had 4 decisions in a row before stopping Holly with a choke, before that she was finished by Cat and Ronda. She beat Holly but she was also 2 minutes from losing the fight as well. The victory was legitimate though. She exposed Holly's weakness on the ground.

Miesha can be compared to Cat. She's good but not great but most times mentally tougher than the woman she's fighting. She's not in the same group skill-wise as Ronda, Nunes or Holly. All 3 of them have their weaknesses but I think they either possess an overwhelming skill like Holly's defensive footwork and precise strikes that make her extremely difficult to match up with or are just more well rounded like Nunes and Ronda.

Nunes, Ronda and Holly are the big 3 just based on what I've seen of their fights. Then you have Miesha, Cat, Davis and maybe Pena in the 2nd tier. McMann, Eye and Kaufman are on the lower tier and borderline top 10 at this point of their careers.

 

[soundoff71]

Miesha V. McMann was a razor thin decision.where it could be argued McMann won 2 rounds before Miesha laid on her for the entire 3rd round. I gave the fight to McMann and if anything it should have been a draw if the last round was scored a 10-8. Miesha got the victory but it was a split decision.

That's not how I remember it. I could be wrong. but I remember the punch, McMann on top, a reversal, & Tate on top for the rest of the fight. I also remember being shocked when Mishea took Sara down. I also think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, like you usually do.

EDITED: And, it looks like I was pretty much right, minus Tate's guillotine attempt in R2 & the majority decision:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GktDWJ3wd-c


Looks like you pulled that one outta your ass, without the lube.

I agree with you. She beat Jessica Eye fair and square at what Eye does best and showed a noticeable improvement in her striking and foot movement. This fight made it clear Miesha was working hard to improve her stand up skills and it later played a huge role in her beating Holly.

Agreed.

Cat beat her bloody. The same thing you're saying about Miesha showing an "Edgar-like ability to come back from adversity" is what Cat showed in this fight because she lost the first 2 rounds badly.

Cat's tough as well. Other than being reckless against Ronda, I don't have anything bad to say about her. I think that if Miesha was given a chance, she might have been able to escape & survive. Besides, Cat's heart & toughness doesn't take away from Miesha's so it's kind of a moot point. Either way, I want a rematch. May the best woman win.

Break out the lube and tissue because.....

“There’s not going to be a division for a while, but the next division when there is one will be 125,” White said when asked if the organization will ever add a female heavyweight division. “So I’ll have a 115, 125 and 135.

Next UFC weight class to be added? Female 125-pound flyweights"

Lube & tissue, huh? You'd like that, wouldn't ya pal .

I've seen that link before, & it doesn't make the lack of a women '25 division any less idiotic. Especially with Miesha there, & BLAF saying Misha 'probably should retire'. I'm sure you saw this, right?

Dana White: Miesha Tate 'probably should retire if that's what she's thinking'

The reason I think Miesha is an average fighter is because she doesn't excel at any one skill. She's tough as nails, no doubt but her wrestling and grappling are average and though her stand up has improved a lot over the last couple of fights she's not finishing fights by strikes. She had 4 decisions in a row before stopping Holly with a choke, before that she was finished by Cat and Ronda. She beat Holly but she was also 2 minutes from losing the fight as well. The victory was legitimate though. She exposed Holly's weakness on the ground.

Miesha can be compared to Cat. She's good but not great but most times mentally tougher than the woman she's fighting. She's not in the same group skill-wise as Ronda, Nunes or Holly. All 3 of them have their weaknesses but I think they either possess an overwhelming skill like Holly's defensive footwork and precise strikes that make her extremely difficult to match up with or are just more well rounded like Nunes and Ronda.

Nunes, Ronda and Holly are the big 3 just based on what I've seen of their fights. Then you have Miesha, Cat, Davis and maybe Pena in the 2nd tier. McMann, Eye and Kaufman are on the lower tier and borderline top 10 at this point of their careers.

Those are all decent points, & you're still wrong. Calling Tate average is incorrect on so many levels. Fighters who are perennial contenders by are not average. Fighters constantly in the top 5-10 in their division are not average. Fighters with winning records and win streaks are not average. Most fighters who win titles are not average. Tate is all those things, & she is undersized for her weight class.

Miesha may not have an overwhelming skill set in any one area, but she's good enough to keep people honest in each aspect of the game. She is also good a mixing & combining skill sets, which is really what MMA is all about. You can't quantify heart & will, & Tate's has won fights on that alone, which even you agreed with. She's good enough to go on a 5 win streak & good enough to finish the current camp via choke.

Once again, you can argue how good Tate is at each skill set, or argue the level of competition in WMMA, or argue how much better Ronda is than Mishea, but by no means is Mishea Tate an average fighter.

I'm sure you'll have plenty more to say/argue, but you're just flat out wrong calling her average. There's nothing really more to say on my end without repeating myself endlessly, getting into circular arguments, or pissing contests.

 

[La Paix]

Miesha V. McMann was a razor thin decision.where it could be argued McMann won 2 rounds before Miesha laid on her for the entire 3rd round. I gave the fight to McMann and if anything it should have been a draw if the last round was scored a 10-8. Miesha got the victory but it was a split decision.



I agree with you. She beat Jessica Eye fair and square at what Eye does best and showed a noticeable improvement in her striking and foot movement. This fight made it clear Miesha was working hard to improve her stand up skills and it later played a huge role in her beating Holly.





Cat beat her bloody. The same thing you're saying about Miesha showing an "Edgar-like ability to come back from adversity" is what Cat showed in this fight because she lost the first 2 rounds badly.



Break out the lube and tissue because.....

“There’s not going to be a division for a while, but the next division when there is one will be 125,” White said when asked if the organization will ever add a female heavyweight division. “So I’ll have a 115, 125 and 135."

Next UFC weight class to be added? Female 125-pound flyweights




The reason I think Miesha is an average fighter is because she doesn't excel at any one skill. She's tough as nails, no doubt but her wrestling and grappling are average and though her stand up has improved a lot over the last couple of fights she's not finishing fights by strikes. She had 4 decisions in a row before stopping Holly with a choke, before that she was finished by Cat and Ronda. She beat Holly but she was also 2 minutes from losing the fight as well. The victory was legitimate though. She exposed Holly's weakness on the ground.

Miesha can be compared to Cat. She's good but not great but most times mentally tougher than the woman she's fighting. She's not in the same group skill-wise as Ronda, Nunes or Holly. All 3 of them have their weaknesses but I think they either possess an overwhelming skill like Holly's defensive footwork and precise strikes that make her extremely difficult to match up with or are just more well rounded like Nunes and Ronda.

Nunes, Ronda and Holly are the big 3 just based on what I've seen of their fights. Then you have Miesha, Cat, Davis and maybe Pena in the 2nd tier. McMann, Eye and Kaufman are on the lower tier and borderline top 10 at this point of their careers.

How do you see Nunes being above Cat?

Cat weathered the early storm than literally smashed Nunes apart, probably my favorite WMMA fight to date. She also finished tate in similar fashion. I see it as Cat, Ronda, Holly and Meisha all being potential champs depending on who fights who and when.

 

[Qat]

No one is more obnoxious than a hater of a fighter and I've found its rare to find a hater who can get his or her point across without completely shitting on a fighter.

Then how come you give Atto a french kiss on every one of his posts? If you want to come across as reasonable, you are not doing it the right way. Empty words. And I could quote a lot of them in the last few posts.

I can appreciate @Cerberus's dedication to rustling jimmies via subtle trolling. But I think @Atto is dead serious with his love for all things Ronda, and borderline fighter bashing of Miesha and Holly. To each their own I guess, but ffs...a little perspective. These are 3 chics you don't know personally, are likely never going to meet, and who probably wouldn't even have the courtesy of responding to a tweet you sent them.

Just sayin....

Are you even sure they are different persons?

Dana's just a bitter bitch because he actually has to contend with a manager that will fight for his clients, and had to pay a fighter what they're worth without getting his ass kissed.

Can you even imagine how he would act when there would be a fighters union? Jeez.

 

[Punch]

Can you even imagine how he would act when there would be a fighters union? Jeez.

 

[Narcosynthesis]

I'll get back to all you naysayers later. All good points by the way, though you all are all wrong as fuck. Right now I'm going out to celebrate with my girl. We just got approved for the loan on our first house! Close on April 20th!

 

[La Paix]

I'll get back to all you naysayers later. All good points by the way, though you all are all wrong as fuck. Right now I'm going out to celebrate with my girl. We just got approved for the loan on our first house! Close on April 20th!

Travis?

 

[Punch]

Travis?

I couldn't decide to go that route, or mention the 420 angle so i went with neither. Glad you pulled the trigger.

 

[soundoff71]

I'll get back to all you naysayers later. All good points by the way, though you all are all wrong as fuck. Right now I'm going out to celebrate with my girl. We just got approved for the loan on our first house! Close on April 20th!

Congrats to you & Travis on the house, & fuck you, you're wrong as fuck

Good luck with the closing.