Lyoto out? - failed drug test ?

[FadeToBlack]

Well on the bright side at least USADA didn't wait right before one of his fights to come out with this news, which would be of cuntmost cuntiness.

Wait...

 

[Mishima Zaibatsu]

Wow, that Fox card is taking hit after hit.

Suddenly I don't care about it anymore.

 

[FadeToBlack]

Wow, that Fox card is taking hit after hit.

Suddenly I don't care about it anymore.

But it's still UFC bro, doesn't matter who fights.
- Lorenzo

 

[Mishima Zaibatsu]

But it's still UFC bro, doesn't matter who fights.
- Lorenzo

You're right, I forgot.

I don't have a mind of my own, I'm a mindless UFC consumer. *Slaps own face*

 

[PeteyParker]

Yeah now we have a bunch of lab coat poindexters

You know how I know your emotional? You wanna know why you got banned from Sherdog like 4 times, it wasn't all the Mods fault.

"keyboard warriors" who never ran a mile in their life telling professional athletes what they can and can't take

If your referring to me, I've actually played football, soccer, played some baseball, and did karate for 1 year when I was younger from middle school through high school. And I luv MMA, so I view it from a competition point of view.

Now, maybe you would have a leg to stand on, if there weren't already countless Pro MMA Fighters who like USADA and feel its great to clean out the sport.

So tell me your point of view as from competing in MMA and how another guy or girl being juiced to the gills is OK? please bring as many facts as possible or fighters who agree with your ignorant point of view. Cause I can pull links and articles that say otherwise against PED's.

It's not like PED's or Roids have long term side effects? oh wait

All under this retarded idea of an "even playing field", which would never exist even if all the PEDs in the world spontaneously combusted, because no two athletes have the exact same genetic makeup and physical attributes.

the purpose is to have an even playing field once you enter the cage and actually fight. No 2 people have identical lifes or the same genetics(except probably identical twins), so why would you even bring this up it doesn't back up your side. The purpose of the fight is to see who is the best fighter in the cage with different attributes and different background in martial arts.

Two guys fight, one is dirt poor and the other guy is rich - rich guy trains full time because he doesn't have to work, can afford the best nutrition and training from the best camps, poor guy works a full time job and trains when he can grab a few hours, eats like shit and trains at a high school gymnasium with a trainer who went 2-6 fighting in KOTC 10 years ago. Is that an "even playing field"? Nobody would bat an eye.

this is so irrelevant into what USADA is doing, must be why Rogan is in complete support of USADA huh?

Fuck USADA and fuck the UFC for getting with them.

Again it shows your immaturity and if somebody spoke to me like this you would get KTFO, but since this is a forum and I like this place, you should relax and actually look at all the pros and cons for having USADA.

In the span of about a year they took the athletes sponsorship money (reebok deal)

here I agree with you. That was complete BS by the UFC and Reebok.

and also hired a company to fly around the world and harass the athletes and remove their ability to make a living for years at a time. What a joke. I wish people would cut it out with their naive ideas about what's cheating and what isn't. Professional athletes should be able to avail of the best medical science can come up with just like anyone else.

so much ignorance written here, not sure if your serious. You should do some critical thinking here, so much wrong.

 

[PeteyParker]

Yeah now we have a bunch of lab coat poindexters and keyboard warriors who never ran a mile in their life telling professional athletes what they can and can't take to get through 8 weeks of physical hell to prepare to fight a trained killer. All under this retarded idea of an "even playing field", which would never exist even if all the PEDs in the world spontaneously combusted, because no two athletes have the exact same genetic makeup and physical attributes.

Two guys fight, one is dirt poor and the other guy is rich - rich guy trains full time because he doesn't have to work, can afford the best nutrition and training from the best camps, poor guy works a full time job and trains when he can grab a few hours, eats like shit and trains at a high school gymnasium with a trainer who went 2-6 fighting in KOTC 10 years ago. Is that an "even playing field"? Nobody would bat an eye.

Fuck USADA and fuck the UFC for getting with them. In the span of about a year they took the athletes sponsorship money (reebok deal) and also hired a company to fly around the world and harass the athletes and remove their ability to make a living for years at a time. What a joke. I wish people would cut it out with their naive ideas about what's cheating and what isn't. Professional athletes should be able to avail of the best medical science can come up with just like anyone else.

oh I'm surprised how many people agreed or liked this ignorant POV. Wait its MMA fans, guess not that surprised.

 

[PeteyParker]

Banning PEDs in the closest thing we're going to get to an "even playing field," so that it is pure athlete vs pure athlete, with only their training, experience and genetic make-up separating them. It's like it was meant to be -- the oldest, most purest sport of all, fighting -- as it was in the caveman days, as it was in Rome, with none of this synthetic foreign shit people are polluting their bodies with. Hopefully with enough fighters getting caught and strict penalties, they will be convinced the juice is not worth the squeeze.

Let's say we did have PEDs; you're just inviting an entirely new set of problems. You take a guy who is already physically superior, he takes PEDs, and he's frickin' Superman. So the guy who's physically inferior is always playing catch-up. At least with natural athletes, you might have one style prevail over another, or an experienced guy with better technique but who sports a belly beating the well-conditioned muscle-bound dude.

And as far as money goes, there are plenty of poor athletes getting involved in MMA these days. Every week or so I read a story about a poor kid from the streets getting taken under a trainer's wing. We're going to hear more of these stories and that's great. But say money is an issue. Then that means the rich fighters get to buy designer steroids and hire some PED guru to manage it, while the poor fighters buy their dirty shit off the street, cut with god-knows-what.

And how do we regulate steroids? Do we tell fighters they have to stay at a certain level? Do we tell them which steroids they can take and what they can't? Do we test in competition or out or both? If we test just in competition, what about the guys who blast their levels up and then bring them back down or taking masking agents? It's all possible. Read this interview: **Long read** Extremely insightful interview on PEDs and the athletes that use them with a PED dealer, who has ties with Olympic gold medalists and champion boxers Juan Manuel Marquez and Jorge Arce • /r/MMA

As they say, it's just a slippery slope we should not go down.

well said sir.

 

[JimmyCage]

 

[TedCzech]

well said sir.

Thanks Petey.

 

[jason73]

i wish i had a good piss joke right about now

 

[Mishima Zaibatsu]

Thanks Petey.

Holy shit Ted Czech!

Whats up man? Love your videos.

 

[Joemacka]

 

[Jonny Quest]

let them all juice. fuck this shit.

 

[Papi Chingon]

let them all juice. fuck this shit.

It was DHEA, not even a PED imo.

 

[tang]

Remember when Mousasi called him out for taking roids after his last fight?

Don't be surprised when he gets popped for drostanolone. That appears to be the drug of choice for fighters associated with the Black House team.

yea and Moose got lot of shit for it

 

[Jesus X]

Kind of had a feeling Lyoto was on something. His body transformation over his career just didn't seem natural.

Ryan Reynolds abssssssss

 

[ChaosOverkill]

I wrote in the other thread a response to this situation.

It's on the list for better or worse or valid/invalid reasons since 2012. He's a successful pro athlete and USADA offered aid to the fighters when this kicked in and has the info very easily searchable.

He declared something with 7-KETO-DHEA on a list of OOC substances when presented a cup, it flagged. It also really depends on if that test would even catch it with the timing involved on whether he was trying to be pre-emptive or ignorant of the contents.

So,

He either really "Didn't know"

OR

He figured it out AFTER he took it and now is trying to fail the listing infraction instead of it getting to a potential testing infraction.

I'm more inclined to agree that he was just not paying attention but trying to say it was recently banned, is likely something someone close to him told him to say in defense and it's futile because USADA KNOWS WHEN IT WAS BANNED 4+ YEARS AGO.

 

[PrideRules]

Maybe this is crazy, but what if UFC didn't pull him from the card? Maybe pay 20% of his purse to Dan? Is this possible?

 

[ChaosOverkill]

Maybe this is crazy, but what if UFC didn't pull him from the card? Maybe pay 20% of his purse to Dan? Is this possible?

I think they have made all OOC issues an automatic removal of the fighter now (unless they somehow get the results or info or claim to have after the EVENT... like Anderson) in the same way Domestic Violence or Sex Assault Accusations will put a fighter into a state of limbo until the facts come out.

I believe the policy is to just freeze the fighter on all pre-fight issues in this class now and then let the facts emerge and if innocent somehow, re-book them immediately.

 

[Severianb]

Yeah now we have a bunch of lab coat poindexters and keyboard warriors who never ran a mile in their life telling professional athletes what they can and can't take to get through 8 weeks of physical hell to prepare to fight a trained killer. All under this retarded idea of an "even playing field", which would never exist even if all the PEDs in the world spontaneously combusted, because no two athletes have the exact same genetic makeup and physical attributes.

Two guys fight, one is dirt poor and the other guy is rich - rich guy trains full time because he doesn't have to work, can afford the best nutrition and training from the best camps, poor guy works a full time job and trains when he can grab a few hours, eats like shit and trains at a high school gymnasium with a trainer who went 2-6 fighting in KOTC 10 years ago. Is that an "even playing field"? Nobody would bat an eye.

Fuck USADA and fuck the UFC for getting with them. In the span of about a year they took the athletes sponsorship money (reebok deal) and also hired a company to fly around the world and harass the athletes and remove their ability to make a living for years at a time. What a joke. I wish people would cut it out with their naive ideas about what's cheating and what isn't. Professional athletes should be able to avail of the best medical science can come up with just like anyone else.

Tough shit. Take a PED. Take a vacation.

 

[Severianb]

You know how I know your emotional? You wanna know why you got banned from Sherdog like 4 times, it wasn't all the Mods fault.



If your referring to me, I've actually played football, soccer, played some baseball, and did karate for 1 year when I was younger from middle school through high school. And I luv MMA, so I view it from a competition point of view.

Now, maybe you would have a leg to stand on, if there weren't already countless Pro MMA Fighters who like USADA and feel its great to clean out the sport.

So tell me your point of view as from competing in MMA and how another guy or girl being juiced to the gills is OK? please bring as many facts as possible or fighters who agree with your ignorant point of view. Cause I can pull links and articles that say otherwise against PED's.

It's not like PED's or Roids have long term side effects? oh wait



the purpose is to have an even playing field once you enter the cage and actually fight. No 2 people have identical lifes or the same genetics(except probably identical twins), so why would you even bring this up it doesn't back up your side. The purpose of the fight is to see who is the best fighter in the cage with different attributes and different background in martial arts.


this is so irrelevant into what USADA is doing, must be why Rogan is in complete support of USADA huh?


Again it shows your immaturity and if somebody spoke to me like this you would get KTFO, but since this is a forum and I like this place, you should relax and actually look at all the pros and cons for having USADA.


here I agree with you. That was complete BS by the UFC and Reebok.



so much ignorance written here, not sure if your serious. You should do some critical thinking here, so much wrong.

Informative.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Tough shit. Take a PED. Take a vacation.

Yeah I imagine it is tough shit, being a professional athlete and having non-athletic dorks and fat keyboard warriors telling you what you should and shouldn't be taking to keep your body from breaking down. Just the same typical whiney cunts that bitch and cry about everything in life.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

You know how I know your emotional? You wanna know why you got banned from Sherdog like 4 times, it wasn't all the Mods fault.

Oh that's what we're gonna do? "You're mad bro! lol emotional" lol, Bitch please. Nobody cares what you have to say enough for you to anger someone. I only read the first sentence of your post, I'm not reading the rest because I don't care about your opinions. You're not interesting or insightful.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

oh I'm surprised how many people agreed or liked this ignorant POV. Wait its MMA fans, guess not that surprised.

lol, I'm glad I saw this part. "OMG WHY ARE PEOPLE AGREEING WITH HIM!!! THEY SHOULD BE LIKING MY POST INSTEAD!!!" lol thanks for giving me a good early morning laugh hahah

PeteyParker seeing people agree and like my comment loooololol

 

[Ghost Bro]

When they are saying disclosure of use will be taken into account, does that mean the fact that he admitted to taking it after? Or had he disclosed it before the test and then realised its a banned substance?

This is a huge problem, mostly the bigger problem is media having this information and coming out with a 2sentence statement saying that a fighter "may have" or "potentially has" popped. For someone who makes his career fighting this can be a stigma that he can never remove. On the last MMAhour (i think) Ariel was pretending that this is not the case, this is out there and it happened and they should report it. In my opinion journalism in MMA is very infantile and they do fighters a great disservice doing this. At least if you're going to say that someone has popped, mention the conditions, mention the steps that are left for him to take. Handle it like a court case, if you don't yet have all the facts all it is is spreading rumours. This isn't for Machida specifically, but the way media comes out with these statements in general is despicable, imo.