Lyoto out? - failed drug test ?

[kneeblock]

I wrote in the other thread a response to this situation.

It's on the list for better or worse or valid/invalid reasons since 2012. He's a successful pro athlete and USADA offered aid to the fighters when this kicked in and has the info very easily searchable.

He declared something with 7-KETO-DHEA on a list of OOC substances when presented a cup, it flagged. It also really depends on if that test would even catch it with the timing involved on whether he was trying to be pre-emptive or ignorant of the contents.

So,

He either really "Didn't know"

OR

He figured it out AFTER he took it and now is trying to fail the listing infraction instead of it getting to a potential testing infraction.

I'm more inclined to agree that he was just not paying attention but trying to say it was recently banned, is likely something someone close to him told him to say in defense and it's futile because USADA KNOWS WHEN IT WAS BANNED 4+ YEARS AGO.

All of this. Anyone who believes Machida's story with the declaration is being sold a bill of goods. This is grade A damage control, just like Anderson with the sex pills nonsense. Somehow Ed Soares has become a master at this stuff. DHEA seems harmless to the layman so it's easy to claim that oneed a form and seem like it was an honest mix up with confusing bureaucracy when in actuality he was probably caught by surprise and knew he would've popped for something worse.

As we've long been saying, there are very few clean fighters, especially those who have been around for awhile.

 

[KWingJitsu]

Definitely should have stuck to drinking his own piss...hell, drink other people's piss, but not PEDs, Dragon ...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8XlS_26nw

What's so confusing here? They give fighters a form to fill out asking what supple,ments they take.
Fighters fill them out.
If what they fill out contains one of the banned supplements... they get popped.
Is it possible Myoto didn't know what he was filling out was on the list - sure sounds like it.

When Chael Sonnen got popped (the first time lol), he didn't declare any of the shit he was using (in hopes of hiding it).
At least with Machida, it "looks" like he truly didn't know the keto-7 (WTF is that?) was on the list. otherwise why would he have listed it?

 

[BanMe]

So many ignores in one thread...

 

[Haulport]

not surprised. he looked flabby in the latest fights. seriously who is clean these days?

NO ONE and no one has ever been....

 

[Left Hook Larry]

NO ONE and no one has ever been....

 

[PeteyParker]

Oh that's what we're gonna do? " lol emotional" lol, Bitch please. Nobody cares what you have to say enough for you to anger someone.

An ignoramus always shows himself time and time again. Everything was said when you couldn't rebuttal none of the points I made.

"Maturity isn't proportional with age. Some develop late, some develop early and some never."

I only read the first sentence of your post

That's all you could handle by your replies. I guess I could simplify it for you kid.

You're not interesting or insightful.

Too insightful for you obviously. I might tone it down for you.

 

[PeteyParker]

lol, I'm glad I saw this part. "OMG WHY ARE PEOPLE AGREEING WITH HIM!!! THEY SHOULD BE LIKING MY POST INSTEAD!!!" lol thanks for giving me a good early morning laugh hahah

PeteyParker seeing people agree and like my comment loooololol

your such a child, you must fit in with the YouTube trolls. I bet you own several of those McGregor troll accounts, are you proud?

 

[Robbie Hart]

Keep this up, I struck a deal with wild and splinty (the real splinty) that pays me $5 per post on any thread I start.....

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Keep this up, I struck a deal with wild and splinty (the real splinty) that pays me $5 per post on any thread I start.....

Start up a thread bashing Zuffa and I'll go in and defend Zuffa. Cut me in for 25% of the proceeds.

 

[Qat]

Yeah I imagine it is tough shit, being a professional athlete and having non-athletic dorks and fat keyboard warriors telling you what you should and shouldn't be taking to keep your body from breaking down. Just the same typical whiney cunts that bitch and cry about everything in life.

They also tell you not to eye-gouge or bite. Its called rules.

Also, who are you to tell the fighters that are anti-doping that their stance is wrong and that they should be doping for your pleasure? Not everybody is the same.

 

[Robbie Hart]

$10 thank you

 

[Ted Williams' head]

They also tell you not to eye-gouge or bite. Its called rules.

To say something is simply "the rules" doesn't make it right. We could all very quickly name rules and laws that are clearly ridiculous (many of us choosing to break them because they don't conflict with our morality).

It's "the rules" that fighters have to wear shitty Reebok gear and get paid fuck all for doing so. Does that mean we can't discuss it?

The majority of athletes want to use some PED or another. The proof is in the pudding, look how many guys (and girls now) are getting busted for using something. It's not because they're cowards or lazy or evil: it's because MMA training is fucking hard and it breaks your body down. They're asked for an incredible amount physically, so I don't care if a guy injects some extra testosterone because his is low from red lining his body for weeks.

 

[lookoutawhale]

well at least he owned up to it and didn't blame it on a faulty boner

 

[Qat]

To say something is simply "the rules" doesn't make it right. We could all very quickly name rules and laws that are clearly ridiculous (many of us choosing to break them because they don't conflict with our morality).

But if you are a fighter and a professional, you still have to follow it. Same with not going to work high.
You can try to change the rules.

It's "the rules" that fighters have to wear shitty Reebok gear and get paid fuck all for doing so. Does that mean we can't discuss it?

Of course you can, but it seems to me you are currently rather here to attack people than to discuss things.

The majority of athletes want to use some PED or another. The proof is in the pudding, look how many guys (and girls now) are getting busted for using something. It's not because they're cowards or lazy or evil: it's because MMA training is fucking hard and it breaks your body down. They're asked for an incredible amount physically, so I don't care if a guy injects some extra testosterone because his is low from red lining his body for weeks.

I get that. But nobody really comes out to try to make it legal. Because there is something 'bad' about it in most of peoples minds, wouldn't you agree?
Other than that, I'd generally say a lot of the fighters train wrong.

 

[dacofty]

Lyoto Machida
Just now ·
O suplemento usado por Lyoto foi o 7-Keto, que contém a substância DHEA, encontrada em produtos comercializados nas lojas de suplementos e bastante popular.

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Lyoto explains fight cancellation

I'm here to tell you that I was caught by surprise by this news. It has been very dificult for me. I've trained a lot for this fight, I've dedicated a lot with all my team mates. I want to tell you that I really didn't know about this substance, so I listed it on my declaration form amongst everything else I was taking, and this substance was recently banned in 2016, so I take the blame for not knowing that, and I'd like to say I'm really sorry and apologize to my fans, team mates, and my family... I always try to play by the book, but unfortunately this happened.

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The supplement used by Lyoto was 7-Keto, that contains the substance DHEA, found in products sold at every supplement store and it's very popular.

It seems WADA had it banned before 2012. Not sure when USADA actually banned it.

 

[dacofty]

Yeah I imagine it is tough shit, being a professional athlete and having non-athletic dorks and fat keyboard warriors telling you what you should and shouldn't be taking to keep your body from breaking down. Just the same typical whiney cunts that bitch and cry about everything in life.

well you wanna be a professional athlete? Good dont take illegal substances cause when your busted, your not a professional athlete anymore.

 

[ChaosOverkill]

It seems WADA had it banned before 2012. Not sure when USADA actually banned it.

One in the same, USADA is the testing management company and WADA is the list creator that multiple companies/ events (Olympics) use.

That's why on the USADA site, their new to 2016 list includes Meldonium, the one Sharapova "Missed" and it was moved from monitoring to banned by WADA, and then those changes proliferate to the testing management companies like USADA and the one that handles ATP tennis testing.

WADA's sole purpose is to accumulate the research and decide what should and what shouldn't be banned, the items are monitored for at least a year and each year are either kept on, moved to banned, or moved back off the list.

The other companies use their centralized list as a testing flag list.


World Anti-Doping Code - (WADA) Code | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)

 

[Haulport]

truly awesome response........!

 

[Haulport]

One in the same, USADA is the testing management company and WADA is the list creator that multiple companies/ events (Olympics) use.

That's why on the USADA site, their new to 2016 list includes Meldonium, the one Sharapova "Missed" and it was moved from monitoring to banned by WADA, and then those changes proliferate to the testing management companies like USADA and the one that handles ATP tennis testing.

WADA's sole purpose is to accumulate the research and decide what should and what shouldn't be banned, the items are monitored for at least a year and each year are either kept on, moved to banned, or moved back off the list.

The other companies use their centralized list as a testing flag list.


World Anti-Doping Code - (WADA) Code | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)

That's interesting. Thanks. I wonder about someone getting caught using a banned substance that at the end of the year comes off the banned list. Sounds like grounds for a lawsuit regardless of the athlete compliance contract....

 

[ChaosOverkill]

And for mr. pissed

That's interesting. Thanks. I wonder about someone getting caught using a banned substance that at the end of the year comes off the banned list. Sounds like grounds for a lawsuit regardless of the athlete compliance contract....

That's an excellent question. But I don't think items come off the banned list in that way and you can't fail for something on the monitoring list it's just a way to warn people they are considering banning something in a year.

But if they do remove things from the banned list you could be right, but I am not sure if that ever has/does happen.

 

[ChaosOverkill]

Case in point is this DHEA and 7-KETO-DHEA. They seem banned more for their category inclusions than any effectiveness established as PED.

And if so, then they should have been removed by now if effectiveness as PED or MASKING AGENT Is the gate for this testing concept.

But they haven't come off, and I assume there are others like it, not to mention the stance on weed and it's inclusion as well.