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[Priziesthorse]

The next 6 are locks: New York, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island.

Then comes Indiana in a winner take all battle. That's a must win. No polls. Fuckery is already afoot. Prepare to riot.

 

[Splinty]

The next 6 are locks: New York, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island.

Then comes Indiana in a winner take all battle. That's a must win. No polls. Fuckery is already afoot. Prepare to riot.

I think Indiana a loss. Itll go to California and he'll get maybe 1200 delegates. Hell then be the nominee with uncommitted delegates moving.

 

[Priziesthorse]

I think Indiana a loss.

We don't need that kind of low energy attitude in this thread.

 

[Priziesthorse]

I think Indiana a loss. Itll go to California and he'll get maybe 1200 delegates. Hell then be the nominee with uncommitted delegates moving.

Kasich needs to get 20-21% of the vote, that silly little cuck.

 

[Qat]

So you agree that he is blowing steam in this campaign. Is there anything substantial to him, or do you just project your own wishes that could be moulded to fit this steam in some way?

And yeah that other reps and Hillary sound crazy is not news at all.

 

[1372]

This thread

Aids I tell ya.

 

[Priziesthorse]

This thread

Aids I tell ya.

 

[Splinty]

So you agree that he is blowing steam in this campaign. Is there anything substantial to him, or do you just project your own wishes that could be moulded to fit this steam in some way?

And yeah that other reps and Hillary sound crazy is not news at all.

Hardly.
We ARE discussing what is substantial to the campaign. Its exactly this kind of loaded post we are deciding to dismiss. You've come here to ask when I stopped beating my wife.

The point is that us spending focus on pedantry. that was never the focus has to be in context. "The wall just got ten feet taller!" Isn't actually the policy. It's your focus. "It's gonna be beautiful, I'll put in a beautiful door in it so the good ones can come in!" Then people go running to ask how big this door will be.

I am impressed that anyone misses the joke so hard. But some want to calculate the extra ten feet. He said three times in 2 weeks! My god!

Trump says that Mexico will pay for it...via items that are specific to Mexico and especially to monies being funneled back to Mexico via illegal immigrant work which is the actual policy right there in black and white for you. Theres an entire policy focusing on things like h1-b abuse (a yuuggeeee problem). A southern border wall again is one defined part. But we are still talking about what will the engineering details be years before anything could be done. And the answer is, they'll be whatever is recommended that will be most effective.The existing partial border fence already incorporates over a dozen engineering designs.
When the official policy says engineering details thatll be substance. Tax plans for candidates have less detail than asking a candidate about the foundation depth of a barrier. Especially as we are still in the primary.

There are plenty of stated and recurring themes on and off the website from the campaign (NATO pay, Muslim immigrants -- the latter of which I disagree with actual implementation-- for instance). This is not one of them.

But you've tossed the whole thing that includes tons of specifics, because I am intentionally focused only on the substance. You're still asking about how many times it got ten feet higher. Im discussing the actual immigration policy. It's really sort of indicative of just how effective "build the wall!" As a rallying point has become to simply sum up "we want strong and comprehensive focus on illegal immigration. Stop abusing visas. Stop destroying black America with unfair competition. Stop the support of de facto slave labor." That's the actual campaign statments on the website and at rallys over and over. Message sold.Complete success.

 

[Zeph]

You've come here to ask when I stopped beating my wife.

Still waiting on an answer.

 

[Splinty]

This thread

Aids I tell ya.

Just started work on the Pacific ocean wall Aussies!

 

[Splinty]

Still waiting on an answer.

Depends, is she Eastern european, speaks 4 languages, has an architecture degree, and used to be a model?

Or is it one of my former wives?

 

[1372]

Not sure who I'm ignoring here.

Thread is good enuff anyway

 

[Splinty]

Not sure who I'm ignoring here.

Thread is good enuff anyway

We'll make it great again!

 

[Qat]

Hardly.
We ARE discussing what is substantial to the campaign. Its exactly this kind of loaded post we are deciding to dismiss. You've come here to ask when I stopped beating my wife.

The point is that us spending focus on pedantry. that was never the focus has to be in context. "The wall just got ten feet taller!" Isn't actually the policy. It's your focus. "It's gonna be beautiful, I'll put in a beautiful door in it so the good ones can come in!" Then people go running to ask how big this door will be.

I am impressed that anyone misses the joke so hard. But some want to calculate the extra ten feet. He said three times in 2 weeks! My god!

Trump says that Mexico will pay for it...via items that are specific to Mexico and especially to monies being funneled back to Mexico via illegal immigrant work which is the actual policy right there in black and white for you. Theres an entire policy focusing on things like h1-b abuse (a yuuggeeee problem). A southern border wall again is one defined part. But we are still talking about what will the engineering details be years before anything could be done. And the answer is, they'll be whatever is recommended that will be most effective.The existing partial border fence already incorporates over a dozen engineering designs.
When the official policy says engineering details thatll be substance. Tax plans for candidates have less detail than asking a candidate about the foundation depth of a barrier. Especially as we are still in the primary.

There are plenty of stated and recurring themes on and off the website from the campaign (NATO pay, Muslim immigrants -- the latter of which I disagree with actual implementation-- for instance). This is not one of them.

But you've tossed the whole thing that includes tons of specifics, because I am intentionally focused only on the substance. You're still asking about how many times it got ten feet higher. Im discussing the actual immigration policy. It's really sort of indicative of just how effective "build the wall!" As a rallying point has become to simply sum up "we want strong and comprehensive focus on illegal immigration. Stop abusing visas. Stop destroying black America with unfair competition. Stop the support of de facto slave labor." That's the actual campaign statments on the website and at rallys over and over. Message sold.Complete success.

You really put a lot of 'yous' in that. I really don't follow it closely, so your interpretation of me having any focus on that or not getting a joke I should get is weird.
I have seen him talk about how much it will cost, and that Mexico will pay for it, that's it.
Your 10 feet higher shit was brought by.. you, not by me. I know you mean the hyperbole with it, but still, you should try to explain it to me, rather than to try to belittle me for not getting a joke I can't get, because I'm simply just receiving very little. And I said before I started this, that I know that what I am seeing is not balanced. Maybe respect that too, before you try to 'expose' me?
And the website of his campaign you posted is useless to me, since it wants to load a captcha but can't or something.. shows actually nothing for me, nothing.
And you know, there is simply no reason to talk about the costs or specifics of the wall if you don't know, is there? Yes its very reasonable/honest to say it will be whatever is best at that time, then why doesn't he just say that? Is he actually trying to troll people, and you support that?


So look, what is this? Why doesn't he answer at all? Dodging, throwing other things around, 'I will tell them', aha. To my eyes and ears, it seems ridiculous. Now granted, what you said might be a substantial policy, but, why doesn't he just say that? Because its not Mexico paying for it really. So its a ruse, you are saying?

Why is that a good thing? Making a theatre out of it, is good?

 

[Qat]

And yeah, call me old school, but I do value what a politician says, and I do measure him by that. Whatever is written on his campaign-page (can't see it as I said), is not written by Trump himself anyway. I'm not saying its not indicative or anything, but what he actually says himself, is very important as well.

If he is just playing the dumb guy or actually is, I don't know. But both possibilities give me reason to worry.

 

[Splinty]

Because its not Mexico paying for it really. So its a ruse, you are saying?

I keep talking past you because of this.
I don't mean to attack you, but I am being dismissive because why would I jump into anything like that with a serious answer?

No I didn't say that. No I didn't say it is a ruse. I said mexico is paying for it and you are missing that because you very caught up on an impromptu slogan.

COMPELLING MEXICO TO PAY FOR THE WALL
Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

• On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
• On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
• On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
• Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
• Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
• Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.

The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.

In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.

Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).

In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.

The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options].

If he is just playing the dumb guy or actually is, I don't know.

Definitely just dumb. Doesn't know anything.

 

[Splinty]

Making a theatre out of it

I will address this since perhaps it's the core of your misunderstanding how YouTube clips don't represent the remainder of the media available.

17 person primary and need to get outahead. In American politics all sides veer off during a primary and then back to a middle for the general.
It's not theater per se as it is all rooted in the core of the platform, but it is exacerbated with much less compromise.

The expected 'pivot' is occurring now.

And then theres the @Priziesthorse position.
Trump talks like a New yorker expects. Wisconsin hates him. Others love him.

 

[Qat]

That sounds like a plan, so why didn't he want to say that? Or couldn't he?
They may still refuse, and watch how successful and fast you can actually do that, and how cooperative the banks will be. History has shown that its not that hard to transfer money. And if I were an American down there wanting to make some easy bucks, I just go to the illegal aliens and offer my legal wiring services for a small fee! There is always a way.
Plus, increasing visa-fees is not Mexico paying for it.

Either way, seems a bit like a dirty tactic to me, and kinda.. unrelated from a wall, as if to make a statement more than anything, kinda bullyish.
And if Mexico would chose to pay, you'd still have the option of doing these things anyway, so what, will you actually do a contract about this, with a time limit? That is bound to some international law or something? It does sound a bit out there.

Definitely just dumb. Doesn't know anything.

Not impossible. You don't have to be smart or knowledgeable to be rich. So far I haven't perceived him as smart. He might be, he might not.

 

[Splinty]

Great news everybody!



the model

The Primary Model
(2016)

87%-99% Certain Trump Will Be President
Primaries Predict Election Winner -- Cycle Also Favors GOP —

Forecast Model Batting 5 for 5 (since 1996)

Helmut Norpoth

It is 87% to 99% certain that Donald Trump will win the presidential election on November 8, 2016; 87% if running against Hillary Clinton, 99% if against Bernie Sanders.

 

[Zeph]

Great news everybody!



the model

The Primary Model
(2016)

87%-99% Certain Trump Will Be President
Primaries Predict Election Winner -- Cycle Also Favors GOP —

Forecast Model Batting 5 for 5 (since 1996)

Helmut Norpoth

It is 87% to 99% certain that Donald Trump will win the presidential election on November 8, 2016; 87% if running against Hillary Clinton, 99% if against Bernie Sanders.

Lmao @ statistical models to describe a process with far too much uncertainty. Seems to be a lot of correlation and not much causation.

 

[Hwoarang]

 

[Splinty]

Lmao @ statistical models to describe a process with far too much uncertainty. Seems to be a lot of correlation and not much causation.

Please don't interrupt the circlejerk

Just accept that all Trump enemies will become friends


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Well except Rose O'Donnell and Jeb! I think those are sunk.

 

[La Paix]

Refusing to fix immigration is an implicit support of the status quo or worse. Give amnesty tomorrow (like reagan! ) and they still can't tell you how many more illegal immigrants should come in. There is not a limit. They don't want a limit.

I do wonder about the cognitive dissonance of a violent tyrranical group that purports to speak for black people while encouraging the undercutting of black jobs and wages by illegal de facto slave labor.

Don't forget, Trump suporters are the violent racists.... Just ignore shit like this video, the anti trump protesters literally wearing KKK uniforms and nazi regalia at a Jewish conference.

What is all this you're talking about? Especially the slave labour part.


I do wonder about the cognitive dissonance of a violent tyrranical group that purports to speak for black people while encouraging the undercutting of black jobs and wages by illegal de facto slave labor

Also what's the Cuck reference about? I read through this thread as it grows but don't follow a lot. So far I gather you want or expect him to win.... I think. And the lizard face, why?

 

[Splinty]

What is all this you're talking about? Especially the slave labour part.


I do wonder about the cognitive dissonance of a violent tyrranical group that purports to speak for black people while encouraging the undercutting of black jobs and wages by illegal de facto slave labor

Also what's the Cuck reference about? I read through this thread as it grows but don't follow a lot. So far I gather you want or expect him to win.... I think.

I'm talking about the de facto slave labor that is illegal immigration and the support of the prevailing system if someone isn't willing to give a limit to it. If I let every current illegal immigrant become legal tomorrow (amnesty) will they then allow me to secure the border? They will not.

This type of labor is off the books abuse of Mexican and Central/South American workers so that the privileged class can get cheap human labor and not pay Americans a prevailing wage. It is not those of us with many degrees competing for these jobs. I get only cheap shit for the abuse and undercutting of American workers.
"If you deport them! Who will clean your toilets? Cut your lawn?" is the common sort of debate point. It's a disgusting one because that is a support for continuing to pay someone less than prevailing wages, all in a system that sees 80% of female migrants raped on their way into the USA. It is a myth and a lie that Americans won't do these jobs. What they won't do is work them for slave wages.

The group I was referencing is in that video has in its many forms become a group of bad actors with violence and suppression of dissenting opinions as a mode of operation. In that video they have shown up to a room of Trump supporters and shouted them down, pushing people around. It gets worse when its a public setting. That group simultaneously supports many government benefits for black Americans while also supporting an essential open border policy of illegal immigrants that directly compete with black Americans for low skilled jobs. The black community is decimated. Jobs and education are needed to break the cycle. 50% unemployment for young black adults. Unlike me, these black Americans ARE competing with illegal immigrants for jobs and fighting wage depression.

So I find this group supporting the undercutting of black america in this matter ridiculous given their other positions.

Cuck == cuckold
To understand this thread is to see the face of God...get ready...

We don't expect him to win. We simply know he has always won.

 

[La Paix]

I'm talking about the de facto slave labor that is illegal immigration and the support of the prevailing system if someone isn't willing to give a limit to it. If I let every current illegal immigrant become legal tomorrow (amnesty) will they then allow me to secure the border? They will not.

This type of labor is off the books abuse of Mexican and Central/South American workers so that the privileged class can get cheap human labor and not pay Americans a prevailing wage. It is not those of us with many degrees competing for these jobs. I get only cheap shit for the abuse and undercutting of American workers.
"If you deport them! Who will clean your toilets? Cut your lawn?" is the common sort of debate point. It's a disgusting one because that is a support for continuing to pay someone less than prevailing wages, all in a system that sees 80% of female migrants raped on their way into the USA. It is a myth and a lie that Americans won't do these jobs. What they won't do is work them for slave wages.

The group I was referencing is in that video has in its many forms become a group of bad actors with violence and suppression of dissenting opinions as a mode of operation. In that video they have shown up to a room of Trump supporters and shouted them down, pushing people around. It gets worse when its a public setting. That group simultaneously supports many government benefits for black Americans while also supporting an essential open border policy of illegal immigrants that directly compete with black Americans for low skilled jobs. The black community is decimated. Jobs and education are needed to break the cycle. 50% unemployment for young black adults. Unlike me, these black Americans ARE competing with illegal immigrants for jobs and fighting wage depression.

So I find this group supporting the undercutting of black america in this matter ridiculous given their other positions.

Cuck == cuckold
To understand this thread is to see the face of God...get ready...

We don't expect him to win. We simply know he has always won.

Thanks I appreciate the good reply and I like the points made. I get that cuck=cuckold but why is that constantly brought up? And the lizard face lol. Is that just cause it looks like him?