Nate Diaz responds to 'white belt' McGregor

[stielar]

He might not be the best on the ground,but he ran through most fw division, ko'd the champ in 13 sec, he has like close to 90% Ko rate in his entire career, who do u think is elite in ur mind?

Usually when I hear the word elite I'm thinking top of the food chain, like

Fedor, Jon Jones, The Diaz bros, GSP, Anderson Silva, Khabib, Cain Velasquez, Werdum.

Werdum is a good example... he is now an elite mma athlete, but until some years ago he was one-dimensional. Probably the best submission guy in mma but an average mma fighter. He worked a lot on his stand-up and now I consider him an elite mma fighter.

 

[stielar]

he may not be a "super well rounded mma fighter," but he does have a ground game. no it will not compare to many black belts in jiu jitsu but it is still good.... and he is still the champion. i see what you're saying with the term elite, so i will just call him great. can't deny that he isn't great

I'm much closer to your reasoning than I am to blank's. He's a good fighter, he has excellent footwork and his stand-up is very good. But I'm afraid he'll be exposed plenty of times. I think it easier for a subsmission guy to improve and excel at striking at an older age than it is for a striker to learn the ground game and become really a top-class jujitsu guy. The ground game is much more diverse than striking is.

 

[1031]

Let me guess... you thought The Revenant was the best movie ever, right?

Look sister, this is what little girls do when they know they're wrong, they go about flinging shit. Don't be a shit-flinging little girl, okay?

He has a record of 19-3. All his defeats were via submission.

The last one being his most recent *loss* (edited), the other two....wait that's only f'n two other losses via submission. Are you being paid by Zuffa or do you not understand the meaning of the word development?

He is an elite weight-cutter, an elite promoter, an elite striker, but an elite mma fighter he is not.

You seem to have your opinion confused with fact. Good day to you.

 

[Carbazel]

McGregor should just go back to 145, defend his title (or try). I get his wanting to avenge his loss but there's no shame in it. Plenty of guys lose, tip their hat and move on to still be great. He also said he'd looking to defend his title towards the end of the year which makes me think he's already prepping for his comeback at 145, or at least thinking twice about going against Diaz again.

 

[Clappin'Daddys]

He might not be the best on the ground,but he ran through most fw division, ko'd the champ in 13 sec, he has like close to 90% Ko rate in his entire career, who do u think is elite in ur mind?

His partner gunny was considered elite on the ground and demian maia made him look like a blue belt, gunny still not elite??

Am I the only one one things that gunnis ground game isn't world class? I'm not going to bash on the man; I know he has solid jitz, but Maia absolutely owned him in one of the best displays of bjj I have ever seen in mma.

And and not like Maia is on his own level. Maia has met his match on the ground before.

 

[La Paix]

 

[The EZ Life]

I'm much closer to your reasoning than I am to blank's. He's a good fighter, he has excellent footwork and his stand-up is very good. But I'm afraid he'll be exposed plenty of times. I think it easier for a subsmission guy to improve and excel at striking at an older age than it is for a striker to learn the ground game and become really a top-class jujitsu guy. The ground game is much more diverse than striking is.

you got that right... but every round starts standing. the guys with better stand up will always have an advantage until the lesser striker gets the fight to the ground.


this is irrelevant but i will talk about my wrestling..
i was great in neutral (standing up), i probably got taken down 4 times my whole senior year, and 3 were against the kid who placed 1st in states (NJ -- pretty good wrestling state) and 2nd the year before, i faced him twice that year. i was also great on bottom. i could escape against anyone, and often times would off the whistle hit a stand up and escape in a matter of seconds. this would put me back in neutral and i could get another takedown. top was my weakest, although i was still good at it. however, you don't need to be good at it as you can just let the person up and take them down again. being good at top is just extra, and it can come in handy if u need to turn someone for backpoints or get a pin to win, but if you are good enough standing and on bottom, that scenario wont pop up often.

for conor, he just needs to have great stand up, which he does.. and then he needs to have either amazing take down defense or he needs to become great off his back. he really does not need to work his top game in jiu jitsu. its great to know things so he can take advantage of being on top whenever he finds himself in that position. however, if he just gets so good off of his back and keeps improving his stand up so no one stands a chance against him, he can dominate without a strong top game.


i suggest conor start every practice on his back against great jitsu guys and wrestlers.

i suggest conor start every sparring / rolling session on his back, or in less advantageous positions, against great wrestlers and jitsu guys. work his position, tire himself out, and then keep working it. learn to be able to get up under the most difficult circumstances. he probably is already working his jitsu and knows that's what he needs to improve.... but i am just saying it here anyway.

if he could do that he could be unstoppable and back up all the trash talk he wants

 

[stielar]

Look sister, this is what little girls do when they know they're wrong, they go about flinging shit. Don't be a shit-flinging little girl, okay?

You know, me being immature and all, I don't think I can handle this mature level of conversation.

The last one being his most recent win, the other two....wait that's only f'n two other losses via submission. Are you being paid by Zuffa or do you not understand the meaning of the word development?

Being accused as a Zuffa shill is the pinnacle of my time in here. Really.

You seem to have your opinion confused with fact. Good day to you.

@Wild please put me and Blank as the co-main of TMMAC FN1.

 

[1031]

You know, me being immature and all, I don't think I can handle this mature level of conversation...

Okay diversionary discussions and monkey poo aside, I'll repeat the question more concisely (and correctly as I had typed the word win instead of loss):
The last [of his losses via submission] being his most recent, the other two....wait that's only...two other losses via submission..do you understand the meaning of the word development?

 

[La Paix]

@BJTT-Pella

 

[Left Hook Larry]

you got that right... but every round starts standing. the guys with better stand up will always have an advantage until the lesser striker gets the fight to the ground.


this is irrelevant but i will talk about my wrestling..
i was great in neutral (standing up), i probably got taken down 4 times my whole senior year, and 3 were against the kid who placed 1st in states (NJ -- pretty good wrestling state) and 2nd the year before, i faced him twice that year. i was also great on bottom. i could escape against anyone, and often times would off the whistle hit a stand up and escape in a matter of seconds. this would put me back in neutral and i could get another takedown. top was my weakest, although i was still good at it. however, you don't need to be good at it as you can just let the person up and take them down again. being good at top is just extra, and it can come in handy if u need to turn someone for backpoints or get a pin to win, but if you are good enough standing and on bottom, that scenario wont pop up often.

for conor, he just needs to have great stand up, which he does.. and then he needs to have either amazing take down defense or he needs to become great off his back. he really does not need to work his top game in jiu jitsu. its great to know things so he can take advantage of being on top whenever he finds himself in that position. however, if he just gets so good off of his back and keeps improving his stand up so no one stands a chance against him, he can dominate without a strong top game.


i suggest conor start every practice on his back against great jitsu guys and wrestlers.

i suggest conor start every sparring / rolling session on his back, or in less advantageous positions, against great wrestlers and jitsu guys. work his position, tire himself out, and then keep working it. learn to be able to get up under the most difficult circumstances. he probably is already working his jitsu and knows that's what he needs to improve.... but i am just saying it here anyway.

if he could do that he could be unstoppable and back up all the trash talk he wants

Conor was getting the worst of the standup vs Diaz imo. Maybe its cardio, maybe its size, but I feel even if he had that Anderson advantage eventually he's going to get caught with the hands down approach.

 

[tang]

Am I the only one one things that gunnis ground game isn't world class? I'm not going to bash on the man; I know he has solid jitz, but Maia absolutely owned him in one of the best displays of bjj I have ever seen in mma.

And and not like Maia is on his own level. Maia has met his match on the ground before.

Gunny is renzo gracie black belt. Renzo black belt means a LOT more than other typical blk belts. But Maia is on a different level, and i think he has the best mma Bjj, him and Jacare but I think Maia beat Jacare during a Jujitsu match so i give Maia.

 

[Clappin'Daddys]

Gunny is renzo gracie black belt. Renzo black belt means a LOT more than other typical blk belts. But Maia is on a different level, and i think he has the best mma Bjj, him and Jacare but I think Maia beat Jacare during a Jujitsu match so i give Maia.

I think jacare is up 2-1 v Maia in pure bjj. Could be wrong tho

We can agree that all mentioned are serious bjj practitioners, but gunni lags behind imo. We must also keep in mind that shields out grappled Maia as well.

 

[Leigh]

Am I the only one one things that gunnis ground game isn't world class? I'm not going to bash on the man; I know he has solid jitz, but Maia absolutely owned him in one of the best displays of bjj I have ever seen in mma.

And and not like Maia is on his own level. Maia has met his match on the ground before.

It is world class but there are better guys.

 

[The EZ Life]

Conor was getting the worst of the standup vs Diaz imo. Maybe its cardio, maybe its size, but I feel even if he had that Anderson advantage eventually he's going to get caught with the hands down approach.

i agree. he keeeps his hands down and chin up too much...

hands down works well with countering only so much, but eventually u get caught.

i think he didn't realize how bad his cardio was because he was always knocking dudes out early... he said he wants to come in lean this time, so his cardio will be better against his next opponent.. but he could take a lesson from the diaz bros in conserving energy. he always throws bombs... diaz bros mix it up, soft strikes, then the surprise hard shot that catches ppl off guard.

its a smart tactic really... getting a fighter to feel comfortable taking your shots, then shocking them with the power moments later. works well for the diaz bros cause they have great reach though

 

[tang]

I think jacare is up 2-1 v Maia in pure bjj. Could be wrong tho

We can agree that all mentioned are serious bjj practitioners, but gunni lags behind imo. We must also keep in mind that shields out grappled Maia as well.

Agree. Shields is another beast in grappling too!

Its all known fact but just a different ball game when applying one type of discipline (wrestling or jj) in a mma fight. So many variables