Serious claims levied against Bellator MMA

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Andrewsimar Palhardass

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I just want to say: I believe that Scott Coker does care about his Fighters. I also believe that Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta also care about their Fighters. The question here, in my opinion, is a question of priorities. Many believed that Bellator's priority was the fighters and the product over money. That just was never going to be the case. We all know where Zuffa's priorities are, and that's why they made over half a billion dollars last year.
 

Lukewarm Carl

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I just want to say: I believe that Scott Coker does care about his Fighters. I also believe that Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta also care about their Fighters. The question here, in my opinion, is a question of priorities. Many believed that Bellator's priority was the fighters and the product over money. That just was never going to be the case. We all know where Zuffa's priorities are, and that's why they made over half a billion dollars last year.
If this claim is true then Bellator is so focused on the fighters that they'll ignore the rules by accepting forged medicals in order to allow the fighters to chase their dreams and fight. Truly fighters first.
 

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I agree with this. I am anti-Zuffa guy and I loved Strikeforce so naturally I allowed myself to buy into the 'Coker is a great guy' myth, but none of his actions at Bellator are compatible with this reputation. He is almost certainly under pressure from his superiors, but it's no excuse.

I'm not referring to these specific allegations, by the way. We still need to see this play out.
For an ANTI ZUFFA GUY you write quite a bit of comments pertaining to UFC fights and fighters. Always find it funny how guys say they dislike Zuffa yet still watch their cards and or follow them. If someone is "ANTI" anything usually they make a stand and don't support the company by banning it completely. Must be doing something right if they have you watching.
 

BaneBreaksBacks

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Well, to be fair, there was actual litigation involved with CindyO too. My sense is Bellator and Coker have never been as clean as we wish they were, just generally nicer on the surface.
Well...if Kimbo/Dada, Ken/Royce, and Ken/Kimbo are any indications then......
 

regular john

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For an ANTI ZUFFA GUY you write quite a bit of comments pertaining to UFC fights and fighters. Always find it funny how guys say they dislike Zuffa yet still watch their cards and or follow them. If someone is "ANTI" anything usually they make a stand and don't support the company by banning it completely. Must be doing something right if they have you watching.
it cannot be black and white like that. if you "ban zuffa completely" you're close to giving up on watching mma.

by definition, both viacom and zuffa will be to blame for a lot of the same things.
 

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For an ANTI ZUFFA GUY you write quite a bit of comments pertaining to UFC fights and fighters. Always find it funny how guys say they dislike Zuffa yet still watch their cards and or follow them. If someone is "ANTI" anything usually they make a stand and don't support the company by banning it completely. Must be doing something right if they have you watching.
I don't support Zuffa directly. The entirety of my support would come down to being a non-cover charge patron at a bar showing a UFC PPV. Oh and I used to post on the UG, so I guess I gave them some clicks.

Off course they are doing something right - monopolizing MMA to the point where we have no alternative but to watch them if we want to watch the best MMA fighters. I also watched Don King promoted boxing matches. Does that make every person who watched the epic fights that stain on humanity profited off 'pro-Don King'? I follow MMA and thus will always follow the premier organisation where I can watch the best fighters no matter what piece of shit is in charge. There are always degrees of scumbaggery in the fight promotion game anyway, but the main thing for me is fighter pay.

Zuffa have done some good things for the sport without doubt, but until they pay the fighters a share of the revenue equivalent to other major professional sports, I will hate them. It's not really a controversial position.
 

dacofty

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Sounds like a disgruntled ex employee..nothing to see until evidence is released
 

stielar

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Sounds like a disgruntled ex employee..nothing to see until evidence is released
No need for evidence. Case already solved:

Bellator and Coker had a good idea- they were gonna be the nice guy promoter so they will get a disproportionate amount of converts that are disillusioned by Zuffa's greedy practices. It worked for a little bit, but their actions don'the exactly match their words.
Somebody contact the parties involved and tell them they don't need to go to court anymore.
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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No need for evidence. Case already solved:



Somebody contact the parties involved and tell them they don't need to go to court anymore.
I actually wasn't speaking about this particular situation. The whole Kimbo-Dada situation and Kimbo's subsequent booking immediately after popping for steroids is what did it for me. I have no idea if these allegations are true, I just think it's a stretch to say that you think the UFC is behind this.
 

stielar

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I actually wasn't speaking about this particular situation. The whole Kimbo-Dada situation and Kimbo's subsequent booking immediately after popping for steroids is what did it for me. I have no idea if these allegations are true, I just think it's a stretch to say that you think the UFC is behind this.
Obviously I'm making assumptions here, I'm not in any position to know for certain whether the ufc is or isn't behind this lawsuit. However, taking into consideration what the ufc has actually done in the past, my assumption is not that far out there.
 

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Obviously I'm making assumptions here, I'm not in any position to know for certain whether the ufc is or isn't behind this lawsuit. However, taking into consideration what the ufc has actually done in the past, my assumption is not that far out there.
seriously doubt that zuffa is behind this, sounds more like an employee who got fired and now wants revenge.
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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Obviously I'm making assumptions here, I'm not in any position to know for certain whether the ufc is or isn't behind this lawsuit. However, taking into consideration what the ufc has actually done in the past, my assumption is not that far out there.
You have to apply reason to your assumptions though. Just because the UFC has done some shady stuff in the past, you can't think they're behind everything that is negative. It logically would not make sense for the UFC to make this move, in the current state of the situation. I think you just applied your bias to a situation you didn't enjoy. You seem to really like Pride and Bellator. Have they not done shady things in the past? Pride was an extremely shady organization that had great fighters but has been romanticized with revisionist history. Bellator has shown themselves to not be the most upstanding organization either, but you still seem to think pretty fondly of them.
 

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One thing that just doesn't make sense to me is how they, bellator, had it out for wolfslayer fighters. If that was the case, why did they fight tooth and nail for rampage?

To me, it really does seem like light is throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. A lot of these allegations are crap.

The false medical reports are what have my attention. Lights claims on this are basically grocery store gossip type of shit "well I heard this, well I heard that"

And it's not like light is a squeaky clean character.

I hope that these allegations are false; I really do
 

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so you don't think that is the same guy that was running Strikeforce? he suffered a metamorphosis sometime between 2010-2014?
He essentially had his lifes work bought against his wishes & permanently shuttered by the Zuffa crew who he pre-dated to the industry by a decade, he gets a second chance to go at them with Bellator so he is playing the game now, that simple.

The nice honest fight promoter guy got shat on by the industry, now he is more like an actual fight promoter than the exception.
 

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If this claim is true then Bellator is so focused on the fighters that they'll ignore the rules by accepting forged medicals in order to allow the fighters to chase their dreams and fight. Truly fighters first.
skirting medical processes is the exact opposite of a fighter friendly move
 

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One thing that just doesn't make sense to me is how they, bellator, had it out for wolfslayer fighters. If that was the case, why did they fight tooth and nail for rampage?
They fought tooth and nail against Rampage
 

Lukewarm Carl

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skirting medical processes is the exact opposite of a fighter friendly move
Nonsense. Fighter can't chase dream of fighting then fighter can't afford medical treatment. Avoiding the rules allows the fighters to fight and make money and therefore they can afford medical treatments and avoid becoming depressed by achieving their dreams.

It's science, bro. Fighters first!
 

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No, he left while still under contract. They fought to keep him.
...against his wishes...

and the courts went back and forth on whether he was in fact under contract (the initial court ruling allowed the Maldonado fight to happen)