Ray Longo: Douglas Crosby told us '[we are the] most hated people in MMA'

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On Josh Gross' podcast, Ray Longo was interviewed, and the topic of Douglas Crosby and the Al Iaquinta fight came up. Among other things that were said, like receiving hate mail from Douglas, the most astounding comment was that at an MMA event he told Ray Longo and Matt Serra that they were 'the most hated people in MMA'. It was also mentioned that the issue involved the courts, and court orders, over a period of 3+ years.

He should not have been judging a fight that involves one of their fighters, and since he didn't recuse himself, the commission should be, at least, reprimanding him for failing to comply with the standards that have been set forth for Judges to abide by. I don't think you can blame the commission for not knowing, since that would be a lot of work and unrealistic, but it really calls into question the judgement of a judge who won't recuse himself from a fight that clearly involves a conflict of interest.

Surely the judgement of the MMA judges should be kept as above reproach as possible, because this issue now opens up questions for how many other judges also don't recuse themselves when there is a conflict of interest, since it is clear that commissions, don't or can't, know every conflict. As well as that, if one judges judgement is poor enough to allow a situation like this to occur, what else will they bend or skirt the rules for?
 
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lookoutawhale

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Douglas Crosby shouldn't be judging at all.

Hes telling teams he doesnt like them, trolling BJ Penn fans on internet boards and then suspended by the NSAC for doing so. The dude is a real life troll.
 

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Wow, this is crazy. Douglas Crosby sounds like a real douchebag. Didn't he mock a fighter after they lost a controversial decision because of his scorecard as well?
 

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Wow, this is crazy. Douglas Crosby sounds like a real douchebag. Didn't he mock a fighter after they lost a controversial decision because of his scorecard as well?
Any more information on this?

Also the Chael podcast with this guy was really weird, with Douglas going on weird tangents.
 

teamquestnorth

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Idk any stories about him besides the trolling after bj/Edgar 1.

I think he got the score right on Masvidal/Laquinta but he shouldn't have been judging the fight.
 

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Idk any stories about him besides the trolling after bj/Edgar 1.

I think he got the score right on Masvidal/Laquinta but he shouldn't have been judging the fight.
That's what I was referencing. The BJ/Edgar deal. What happened there?
 

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He created a thread on the UG and had a complete brain melt down mocking everybody. His score was 100% bullshit. Edgar also happened to be from the area he is. Take from that what you will

The JUDGING GENIUS returns from the Middle East - MMA Forum

All it takes is reading about 1 page there to see how fucked up he is. He trolled endlessly about a high level world title fight that he made a garbage decision in. Even if Edgar won, 50-45 is pathetic
 

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That's what I was referencing. The BJ/Edgar deal. What happened there?
He made a thread on the UG after he got back from Abu Dhabi and basically was rubbing it into the bj fan's faces that he scored it 50-45 Edgar and just putting them all down. I've never read through the whole thread just the first couple of pages.

It was odd and I'm surprised any commission lets him be a judge after that. It was obvious he had a beef with BJ and/or his fans before the fight with Edgar even happened.
 

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Look at this fat, smug prick

Reading his posts are making my mind hurt. I literally can't get past page 2. I hate this human being. It's all a big joke to him. Look at the size of his fat fucking face. The dude has never even taken a beginner kid's karate class.. Yet he does what he does and thinks it's funny to mock people

 

lookoutawhale

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Heres Douglas' posts merged from that thread:


"So….Just returned from Abu Dhabi, and I haven’t been in my duplex more than 20 minutes, when the Doorman calls me on the intercom in a state of panic…Seems there are hundreds of moaning, howling ghouls in “RVCA” and “Prodigy/Hilo Boy” T-shirts surrounding the building like extras from “Zombieland”…And they’re chanting “50/45!” over and over, and trying to push their way into the lobby…..Which gives me a little time to talk to you, my dear friends.

So I’m wondering…..Should I tell you how I scored Penn/Edgar, and why, right now, up front? But that seems kinda like the Pope or the King back in the day, just writing down what he wants to say, and having one of his burly churls nail it to the door of the church for everyone to read…It seems a bit…distant, a bit ‘above it all’, don’tcha think? Because God knows I have plenty to say and no shortage of burly churls; no dearth of hulking familiars to do my bidding have I…

Perhaps just announcing my presence is enough for now. Perhaps simply allowing some of you, my faithful friends and fellow MMA devotees, to say what YOU want to say is more….Democratic; more…..Enlightened. A behaviour more consistent with a Progressive such as myself. After all, isn’t that my job? Isn’t it incumbent upon me, as a Judge, to make myself available for your criticism? If I take the plane ride, and get to the venue, and score the fights, I have a kind of….Contract with the fans; a contract that specifically allows you to criticize me. And I will be glad to defend the terms of that agreement, even if it means I have to take the weight sometimes.

I knew this was coming as I scored the fight. I knew the inescapable inevitability of criticism was waiting back here. I saw the ride; and I bought a ticket. So what I’m thinking is…… why deny you guys? You earned the right to say what you think by buying the PPV. Don’t I owe you a little time to say everything you want to say? Isn’t that a better way to continue to build a bridge to the fans? By giving them their say? Isn’t that what I owe you?

Shakespeare wrote

“THE TIME APPROACHES, THAT WILL, WITH DUE DECISION, MAKE US KNOW; WHAT WE SHALL SAY WE HAVE, AND WHAT WE OWE….”

And we all HAVE my scores…..But what do we….OWE??? So allow me to cast up my accounts with you as equitably as possible, won’t you?

Interestingly, I’ve been slightly taken aback by the response my score for the Penn/Edgar fight has engendered…but not in the way (some of) you guys have responded….I kind of expected that. What’s been surprising is how many people, at the event, in the hotel, at the airport, fighters, production staff, etc., have told me how glad they were that I scored the FIGHT, and not the FIGHTERS. Are you guys with me on that, even just a little? Can you understand what I mean by that?

May I also mention that I forgive you?

For your anger, your insults, and your crassness? NOT all of you….You know who you are. Yes; YOU: Over there, with the purple Nikes on, waiting for the spaceship in the tail of comet to come take you to a world where everyone agrees with you….and YOU over there…the one who thinks his heroes never lose…

So yes, I forgive you. I started this thread knowing that a percentage of you would behave the way you have. I knew you would when I scored the fight as well. I forgave you then. And even as I forgave you, I prepared myself to defend your right to criticize me, and make myself available for that criticism. Isn’t that something I kind of…started out by saying? As fans, I owe you that. Remember me saying that….Pages ago? That you have the right to criticize me? Wasn’t I the person who brought that up? Wasn’t I the person who gave you the opportunity to be heard? By the person you are angry with?

Should I even mention that most of the virulent criticisms aren’t even consistent with each other? Or is that ‘condescending’? Which is to say…..are the things you’ve written in these last 7 pages available for criticism as well? Or does suggesting that constitute a similar heresy to my scoring in Penn/Edgar?

The reason last question is because I have to make bit of a decision…..Like I said pages ago; do I just lay out why I scored Penn/Edgar the way i did, and leave it at that? Or do I entertain a….dialogue with you (yes, YOU)? Do I go post-by-post and address your issues, both the rational and the ridiculous, for the sake of a democratic dialogue? Do I pick and choose among the posts for the ones (dissenting or otherwise) I feel are worthy of explanation, refutation, argument? Do I respond to ridicule with ridicule? Viciousness with viciousness? Do I pay each and every one of you with your own currency? Or do I just say what I think as far as that fight, and move on?

I posed that question pages ago. What direction would any of you be inclining towards, were you me? I wonder.

I just took a few moments to go back to the beginning of this thread and re-read everything I said, and the responses it engendered. I recommend it to all of you. My intellectual mentor, Dr. Jacques Vallee’, years ago told me “Seek out your enemies, Douglas, and listen to what they have to say. Than go think for awhile.”

Reading over what’s been said, in both tone and content, has been enlightening. All of that being said….I’ve mentioned numerous times on other threads that the scoring criteria exist for a reason, just like the 10-point “must” system exists for a reason; and that the scoring criteria are guidelines within which Judges arrive at a decision on a round-by-round basis. It is a Judge’s obligation to interpret the fight and use the criteria as guidelines. But a fight is an observed event that does require interpretation, observation, wisdom.

And, in my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn. And that is an interpretation by a ringside observer with an understanding and appreciation of MMA, who has Judged numerous (hundreds) of fights. I re-watched the fight in my hotel in Abu Dhabi and saw nothing that would influence me to score it any differently.

I support and encourage your right to criticize my scoring. And I forgive you for your attacks of both a professional, and, regrettably, personal nature.

From commenter Mortality – “50-45 does not mean a fight was lopsided. Every round could have been razor thin but still had the same winner. Some of you don’t seem to understand scoring at all.” I just printed this out and dropped it out my window. The RVCA/HILO BOY Zombies read it and they all just walked into the sea. Thanks! DC/NYC
 

lookoutawhale

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Heres his hollywood imdb page hehe
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0188981/
Douglas Crosby - IMDb

Douglas Crosby
Stunts | Actor | Miscellaneous Crew

Stunts (148 credits)
2015 Orange Is the New Black (TV Series) (stunt coordinator - 1 episode)
- I'm a Bitch Because I'm Sad (2015) ... (stunt coordinator)
2014 Believe (TV Series) (stunt coordinator - 8 episodes)
- Prodigy (2014) ... (stunt coordinator)
- Together (2014) ... (stunt coordinator)
- Bang and Blame (2014) ... (stunt coordinator)
- Sinking (2014) ... (stunt coordinator)
- White Noise (2014) ... (stunt coordinator)
2014 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (stunts)
2014 Noah (stunt coordinator)
2013 The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (stunts - uncredited)
2012 Thanks for Sharing (stunts)
2012 Premium Rush (stunts - uncredited)
2012 The Dictator (stunts)
2012 Men in Black 3 (stunts - uncredited)
2012/I Safe (stunt player)
2012 21 Jump Street (stunts)
2012 2 Days in New York (stunt coordinator - as Doug Crosby)
2011 Jeremy Fink and the Meaning of Life (stunt coordinator - as Doug Crosby)
2011 The Sitter (stunt double)
2011/I Limitless (stunts - uncredited)
2011 The Son of No One (stunt coordinator - as Doug Crosby) 2010

etc...
 

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WOW just listned to the Chael podcast. I've never heard Chael get angry like that. Surprised he didn't hang up on him. Crosby is a serious douche. I would love to smack him and that annoying chick in the background with one foul swoop of my hand.
 

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What a nut job. The fact this guy is judging MMA should tell everyone all they need to know about how incompetent the entire system is.
 

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Look at this fat, smug prick

Reading his posts are making my mind hurt. I literally can't get past page 2. I hate this human being. It's all a big joke to him. Look at the size of his fat fucking face. The dude has never even taken a beginner kid's karate class.. Yet he does what he does and thinks it's funny to mock people

Im pretty sure thats harvey firestein
 
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On Josh Gross' podcast, Ray Longo was interviewed, and the topic of Douglas Crosby and the Al Iaquinta fight came up. Among other things that were said, like receiving hate mail from Douglas, the most astounding comment was that at an MMA event he told Ray Longo and Matt Serra that they were 'the most hated people in MMA'. It was also mentioned that the issue involved the courts, and court orders, over a period of 3+ years.
And what were the court issues over, again? Wasn't he a stalker or something?
 

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MMA judging has Cecil Peoples, Adalaide Byrd, and this douche (Douglas Crosby)...let that sink in for a minute.
 
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Fuck me running, what a pontificating pretentious parasite.

That post he made was basically a "look at me, look at me!" kind of troll.