It had to be less many circumstances I would think...gonna be interesting to see how this unfolds...
UFC to change Reebok pay structure to tiered system
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Do you think it's a coincidence that Matt Hughes, who has a SHITTON of UFC Tenure, as recently as last week is suggesting a comeback to Ufc?
Maybe him being on the best tier with the # of fights and how long he's been employeed is incentive for him to remove the "inactive" part of his current fighting career.
(this isn't arguing in anyway, just bringing up a new angle)
Before when there was a competitive #1 and #2 mma org, staying employeed for either promotion wasn't as a big deal as it is since UFC became the #1 with no close #2.
Many fights it happens but the highest profile fight I can think of is Overeem vs Mir. Overeem clearly won rounds 1 and 2, and he fought rd 3 totally different, totally cautious. Sure he won, but it wasn't exciting, it was disheartening because if you watch that fight again, you'll clearly see Overeem had chances to put Mir out, he just didn't want to take the risk.
Afterall, Overeem had a big price tag on his contract, just lost to Bigfoot and Browne, and was in serious danger of being released.
Being a UFC fighter is great, but not when stuff like this is a result.
I'm interested in a ballpark figure of how much $$$ per fight they will get. Say 0-0 vs the guy with most fights. What can both expect from the Reebok deal?
From what I've read they lose all other sponsors and have to wear Reebok stuff right? If that's what happens it will def change the whole look of the fights.
From what I've read they lose all other sponsors and have to wear Reebok stuff right? If that's what happens it will def change the whole look of the fights.
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They (Zuffa) have no fucking clue dude. Seriously. This Reebok deal is the epitome of the way Zuffa conducts business...unethical & scummy. They figured they would sign the deal first, then announce it to the world w/out informing the fighters of any of the details. That way, the fighters are locked in and Zuffa has pitched their bullshit of "we won't see a dime...this is 100% for the fighters...they're going to make more $ w/ less hassle....etc." Therefore, when the fighters are finally told the details and realize how badly they're getting fucked, one of two things would happen: 1) they would look bad for "whining" because Zuffa has already swayed public opinion to their side, or 2) they have no recourse because what's done is done.
Zuffa knew fighters and managers would lose existing sponsors between Sept & now...they didn't give a shit. They knew that they hadn't thought thru a logical way to allocate the money to fairly compensate everyone on the roster...they didn't give a shit. It was a totally short sighted deal, made out of greed. Zuffa will make truckloads out of this on the back end of this deal, and thru solo sponsorship deals w/ Reebok. They didn't (and still don't) give a fuck who gets hurt in the process. And they still have no idea how they're going to distribute the money fairly. Typical Zuffa...sign the deal, let's get the money, and then wing it.
The ONLY reason they changed from rankings to tenure, is out of fear of this lawsuit. My guess is, internally fighters are asking questions and voicing complaints. And Zuffa is afraid if they don't do something, there will be a fucking stampede to join up with Quarry, Fitch, etc.
For the record my post in this thread should clear me of any "you met Dana White so you're biased" talk because yes I love that he offered me tickets and I'm super appreciative and I will say he's a good guy but I for sure will acknowledge when him or his company are in the wrong, which thus far, this hasn't been the smoothest of deals to say the least.
Where is the cutoff for evidence though? As I understand it the court is considering Zuffa's motion to dismiss the suit. Are Zuffa's attorneys calling them every 5 minutes going, "This JUST in...our client very recently (about 20 seconds ago) acted in the following ways demonstrating falseness of the charges..."
I mean, the Rampage/Bellator thing I could see. At this point though, how much can count in Zuffa's favor? This is (I think) a strictly legal question though. I would think that what Zuffa chooses to do at THIS point is, you know, too late. But the legal systems are arcane, so who knows. Maybe some lawyer types around here can answer?
As for the new plan for Reebok $$, I was never a fan of the ranking system to begin with (I say any ranking system should be (1) run off an algorithm, and not by human judges and furthermore (2) used to determine matchups and championships pathways), so I definitely wasn't behind using the rankings system to determine sponsorship payout.
As it stands, I'm with those who think tenure is a better idea than rankings for that money. But it does open the way for some different problems. I think strength of opposition should matter, as should number of fights in a calendar year, not to mention a career (I think D241 is right to question what tenure should mean. There are two very different concepts at hand, total number of years vs. total number of fights. Maybe both can matter). Finishers should get a bigger slice of Reebok pie.
As it stands, I'm with those who think tenure is a better idea than rankings for that money. But it does open the way for some different problems. I think strength of opposition should matter, as should number of fights in a calendar year, not to mention a career (I think D241 is right to question what tenure should mean. There are two very different concepts at hand, total number of years vs. total number of fights. Maybe both can matter). Finishers should get a bigger slice of Reebok pie.
Reebok would but out these,contracts? I don't think they would..again good question.. I see an orgy of cashews and peanuts on the horizon...cuz this is gonna be a HUGE CLUSTER FUCK!
I heard they had restricted a space on the uniform for one of their own sponsors, of which they would take all of the money. So while the reebok money would go to the fighters, the UFC would still be making money from the deal. Think football team shirts.
Your nrw name is Sgt.Schill...you met Dana and did lord knows what for those tickets...I can't believe your audacity D!...
ps...Ill take your extra tticket next time
I just think Zuffa's legal time is advising them in situations like this, that could turn ugly. Like "look, I know you greedy fucks signed this deal w/out giving the first thought about how it might cause problems w/ the people that fight so you can have snow in Vegas & bet $10k/hand...but here we are now, and if you don't somehow satisfy the fighters on your roster, the stampede running for that lawsuit will look like Normandy Beach in 1944. I'd advise you to fix it."
Yeah, you could be right. It certainly can't hurt Zuffa to start playing fair. I'm just not sure what the judges are allowed to consider. The past outweighs the present in terms of what's happened, so the past is more indicative of the intentions/character of an organization. Maybe the two sides can come to some sort of agreement and drop the suit. That might be the best outcome. I certainly don't want Zuffa to burn to the ground. I am a fight and fighter fan first, though.
this is why Matt Hughe is cleverest farmer in the game of uFc
guy knows which side of the field to plough
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