The OFFICIAL Mayweather vs. Pacquiao discussion thread

[Robbie Hart]

Boxing fans reporting pay-per-view issues prior to Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao fight
Are you serious? This is your main source of revenue.....how can you let that happen? To me, you throw your resources into making sure that is going to work (don't know enough, but would think this is good risk management)...maybe they're not worried or just don't care as you paid, so be it......

 

[lookoutawhale]

The fight way the went i thought it was going to be. 12 round jab fest like most of his fights. Pretty boring stuff I thought.

I enjoy the Mayweather HBO 24/7 countdowns more than his actual fights. Those are so well made and dramatic.

Not sure why people were spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to see this. It didnt match the excitement of a Tyson fight back in the day or even the fun Prince Naseem Hamed boxing matches.

 

[Greek777]

Mayweather landed about 50 lead right hands. Power shots. Dunno why everyone says he jabbed the whole time. Manny barely touched him and Mayweather's late career has consisted of the straight right a lot. He has a powerful punch

 

[sgotwalks]

Sucked! In the first 30 seconds I became concerned when Manny came out flat footed..........not sure why he wasn't bouncing around on his toes like I have been accustomed to seeing him in the past. I came home and threw up last night and I'm not sure if it's because I drank all twelve of the beers I took with me before getting into buddy's vodka, or if it was because of the immense frustration I felt with Manny's output last night!

 

[Greek777]

He probably was pretty hurt. But that's the game. He went in to fight.

 

[Wild]

He probably was pretty hurt. But that's the game. He went in to fight.

There was too much $ involved, and so much hype behind this, that he likely felt pressured not to delay things are further.

 

[Greek777]

"Floyd will fight his smartest, most defensive fight ever. People will whine that they paid $100 to "watch Floyd run around for 12 rounds". Floyd will probably retire and in his mind solidify his claim as the GOAT, saying "I beat everyone, I even beat Pacquiao who none of you said I'd fight, I'm TBE"..."

Posted on Wednesday

There was no other way this fight would go. We all hoped for Manny to do what he said he would and put the pressure on. But he froze in there like the others.

 

[Zeph]

Sucked! In the first 30 seconds I became concerned when Manny came out flat footed..........not sure why he wasn't bouncing around on his toes like I have been accustomed to seeing him in the past. I came home and threw up last night and I'm not sure if it's because I drank all twelve of the beers I took with me before getting into buddy's vodka, or if it was because of the immense frustration I felt with Manny's output last night!

Had to be the frustration.

 

[WoodenPupa]

Nope. ALL boxing.

This just sounded off to me, so I checked up on the differences. Points are of course an objective in both amateur and pro boxing---simply landing punches. But aggressiveness, knock-downs, and causing injuries matter in scoring a professional bout, whereas in amateur they don't.

From http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/2435-Olympic-Boxing-2012-Glaring-Differences-Between-Amateur-Boxing-and-the-Pros:

Olympic Boxing - Objective and Scoring

"...in the Olympics/amateur ranks, a soft right jab that lands cleanly is worth every bit as much as a pulverizing left hook. Amateur fighters aren't given any additional credit for hard-punching, knockdowns, effective aggression or for staggering or wobbling an opponent.

Simply put, landing more clean punches than your opponent over the course of three rounds should make you the winner in the Olympics.



Prizefighting - Objectives and Scoring

Prizefighting utilizes a 10-point system by which the winner of the round must be given 10 points, while the loser of the round must be given nine or fewer. There are 3 judges instead of 5 and there is no computerized-tallying scoring system.

Fighters can hit each other anywhere above the belt as long as it is on the side or front of the head or body. And as in the amateur game, it's illegal to strike an opponent below the belt or on the back of the head and in the kidneys.


In stark contrast to Olympic boxing, prizefight scoring is open-ended and scores are rendered purely based on the judges' opinions using four criteria: Effective Aggression, Defense, Ring Generalship, and Clean and Hard punching.

 

[WoodenPupa]

Boxing means the guy who lands the most hits win. You don't have to hurt your opponent, just out hit them. HIT and don't get hit.

This is the statement I'm responding to, in case it wasn't clear from the above post.

The scoring criteria for professional boxing are substantially different than amateur. What goes on in a judge's mind, of course, can be another matter entirely.

 

[Darqnezz]

Prizefighting - Objectives and Scoring

Prizefighting utilizes a 10-point system by which the winner of the round must be given 10 points, while the loser of the round must be given nine or fewer. There are 3 judges instead of 5 and there is no computerized-tallying scoring system.

Fighters can hit each other anywhere above the belt as long as it is on the side or front of the head or body. And as in the amateur game, it's illegal to strike an opponent below the belt or on the back of the head and in the kidneys.


In stark contrast to Olympic boxing, prizefight scoring is open-ended and scores are rendered purely based on the judges' opinions using four criteria: Effective Aggression, Defense, Ring Generalship, and Clean and Hard punching.

In all boxing, If I hit you more than you hit me, and neither and causes any damage I should win. It is more subjective in pro boxing because of the four criteria above, but usually the guy doing the most hitting is demonstrating enough aggression, ring generalship, & clean punching to win the round. Since there are no even rounds, close rounds usually go to the person that lands the most clean punches. If the criteria above is applied to the Mayweather/ Paquaio fight, Mayweather wins easily.

 

[lookoutawhale]

Interesting video showing that Pac outscored Mayweather in the fight and that the compubox numbers are wrong.

That most of mayweathers punches were being blocked.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OsGL1aRIA


video includes links to each round slow motion action on what actually landed.

 

[Zeph]

Interesting video showing that Pac outscored Mayweather in the fight and that the compubox numbers are wrong.

That most of mayweathers punches were being blocked.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OsGL1aRIA


video includes links to each round slow motion action on what actually landed.

Seems to score a lot of punches for Manny that didn't land clean.

 

[lookoutawhale]

Seems to score a lot of punches for Manny that didn't land clean.

i thought he missed some punches for pacman too but maybe its the angle.

the one i posted was the quick summed up version. hes got each round in slow mo too if you or anyone else reading this want to double check. ill post a couple of the slo mo rounds.

im not sure on the totals but ive always found the compubox numbers kinda iffy. no one double checks it because its so tedious so we all just assume its correct. but on closer inspection it seems the numbers might just be whatever.

- Round 01 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKixYIM5oY8


- Round 02 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8YLWON54Zg


- Round 03 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2yIShdnGfA


- Round 04 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qaSOLjHE0


- Round 05 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUa8ma6KqpY

etc..

 

[Zeph]

i thought he missed some punches for pacman too but maybe its the angle.

the one i posted was the quick summed up version. hes got each round in slow mo too if you or anyone else reading this want to double check. ill post a couple of the slo mo rounds.

im not sure on the totals but ive always found the compubox numbers kinda iffy. no one double checks it because its so tedious so we all just assume its correct. but on closer inspection it seems the numbers might just be whatever.

- Round 01 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKixYIM5oY8


- Round 02 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8YLWON54Zg


- Round 03 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2yIShdnGfA


- Round 04 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qaSOLjHE0


- Round 05 (Punches Count | SlowMo)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUa8ma6KqpY

etc..

Hah, I don't care that much.

 

[lookoutawhale]

Hah, I don't care that much.

heh yeah i dont blame you it is tedious. i checked out a couple rounds and i feel this guy has better stats. barely any of the punches were landing.

When you look at compubox this is their numbers:

when you look at this guys score card

I dont see Mayweather landing 148 punches or whatever. I think CompuBox makes up whatever numbers because they know none of us will ever double check hehe but this dude did it!

 

[WoodenPupa]

In all boxing, If I hit you more than you hit me, and neither and causes any damage I should win. It is more subjective in pro boxing because of the four criteria above, but usually the guy doing the most hitting is demonstrating enough aggression, ring generalship, & clean punching to win the round. Since there are no even rounds, close rounds usually go to the person that lands the most clean punches. If the criteria above is applied to the Mayweather/ Paquaio fight, Mayweather wins easily.

Of course, if the other criteria are even, then the most punches landed wins. But the point is that there are other criteria in pro boxing, and therefore it's not judged the same as amateur. The rules are different. That's all I'm saying.

Haven't rewatched the fight yet, but watching live I thought PBF won by a little bit. What I hated was his constant clinching. Ref should have warned him about it, but he's been doing it forever, so, I guess he gets to do it without repercussion.

 

[BryceRSM]

Interesting video showing that Pac outscored Mayweather in the fight and that the compubox numbers are wrong.

That most of mayweathers punches were being blocked.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OsGL1aRIA


video includes links to each round slow motion action on what actually landed.

Stop it... Just stop

 

[WoodenPupa]

I want to watch that slo-mo version, but Christ. Maybe I'll try one round a day? brb on the 27th.

 

[lookoutawhale]

Stop it... Just stop

hehe i take it you didnt like his video.

 

[lookoutawhale]

I want to watch that slo-mo version, but Christ. Maybe I'll try one round a day? brb on the 27th.

i was able to do like 3 rounds and basically got the gist of what he was saying. I didnt see Mayweather dropping so many punches.

Did he win or no? That doesnt really interest me. Mayweather fights are super boring.

If i want to see 2 guys hug for 36 minutes ill download gay porn. At least theres more fisting there.

 

[WoodenPupa]

What I find amusing is that even a slow-motion video of the fight produces debate. Consequently, it's an open question as to how much judge's decisions can be improved (I'm thinking primarily of MMA here, though this example is from boxing). I'm of the opinion that short of inventing some sort of automated punch-sensor technology (something in the gloves or whatever), we're going to be stuck arguing about decisions until the end of time.

 

[lookoutawhale]

What I find amusing is that even a slow-motion video of the fight produces debate. Consequently, it's an open question as to how much judge's decisions can be improved (I'm thinking primarily of MMA here, though this example is from boxing). I'm of the opinion that short of inventing some sort of automated punch-sensor technology (something in the gloves or whatever), we're going to be stuck arguing about decisions until the end of time.

heh i was thinking the same thing. like some type of nintendo power glove.

with mayweather i find him just touching a guys face with his glove over and over. Like theres no power shot where you hear it hard or where hes trying to drop a guy. It seems like face tag. Manny was trying to hit him with power and Mayweather would just "touch move touch move touch, touch, move" there didnt seem to be any power behind it. He seems to want to win more on contact made regardless of if there was any real power behind it.

I guess the best replay at the moment would have to have like 4 screens. a top view, right, left, normal or something so you can see if a punch actually landed because with some angles its like hollywood where it seems like contact was made but then when you look from the other side you notice that the fist was actually away quite a bit.

ive wondered how compubox puts there numbers out so fast when the action is so fast its tough to really tell if someone truly landed or was a power shot.

 

[WoodenPupa]

i was able to do like 3 rounds and basically got the gist of what he was saying. I didnt see Mayweather dropping so many punches.

Did he win or no? That doesnt really interest me. Mayweather fights are super boring.

If i want to see 2 guys hug for 36 minutes ill download gay porn. At least theres more fisting there.

We're more or less on the same page, bruh. PBF simply refuses to fight at close range. He does beautiful things at long and medium range, but too often those movements culminate in a clinch, and the refs let him do it.

I'm not terribly interested in the "real" result here either. For other fights though (I'm thinking mainly MMA), it's interesting to note that slow-motion video will probably never be a savior when it comes to sorting out the real winner in very close contests.

 

[lookoutawhale]

We're more or less on the same page, bruh. PBF simply refuses to fight at close range. He does beautiful things at long and medium range, but too often those movements culminate in a clinch, and the refs let him do it.

I'm not terribly interested in the "real" result here either. For other fights though (I'm thinking mainly MMA), it's interesting to note that slow-motion video will probably never be a savior when it comes to sorting out the real winner in very close contests.

yeah its kind of the reason i favour a roundless fight. Last man standing and in better shape wins. Its tough to distinguish one round from another if they are close. Fighter A wins round 1 with a 10-9 score because he threw 40 punches as opposed to 15, then fighter B wins round 2 with a 10-9 score because he threw 4 jabs that landed compared to the 1 jab the other fighter threw and then this is tied 1-1. Im thinking it should be more cumulative.