Scott Coker on UFC-Reebok sponsorship program: Bellator's 'phone's been ringing'

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News broke this week with details about the UFC's new sponsorship program with Reebok. Specifically, payment tiers for fighters made their way onto social media platforms and news sites. The feedback was mixed, but largely negative as many fighters objected either to losing the right to find their own sponsors or the downgrade they faced in expected pay.

The question isn't simply how this will affect the UFC and the fighters who compete there, but the sponsorship market generally. In addition, how will this affect the Viacom-backed Bellator, a much smaller organization, but one that doesn't use a sponsorship tax or other heavy-handed sponsor screens?
Scott Coker sat down with MMA Junkie to discuss. Good to see someone asked him about it. Hopefully the MMA media will keep this issue at the forefront.

What I don't understand is why did they have to do it? They were making money from the sponsor tax. Sponsors were helping to offset some of the complaints of low fighter pay. What is so necessary about it?

I think that's something you'll have to ask them. I can only speculate. Their corporate strategy really is something you'll have to talk to them about. They're definitely heading into a different direction than the sport's been going the last 25 years. Let's see if it's something that's going to be there for the term of the contract or for many years from now.

I can tell you I feel with our fighters, this is an individual sport. The fighters in our league are going to have the ability to get their own sponsors as long as there's no conflict with our corporate sponsors that support Bellator.
This is why I really respect Scott Coker, and believe the majority of fighters do as well. He seems to really "get it"...that fighters must have the ability to brand themselves, with the support & backing from the promotion. It's not an "we owe them - it's us vs. them" mentality.

Does Bellator now employ, even in an administrative way, any sort of sponsor screen?

That's the only limitation. We don't have any sponsorship tax on our athletes. As long as they don't conflict with our main sponsors - like Miller, like Dave & Buster's, Monster Energy Drink, there's a couple others - then everything else is fine. If they can go negotiate a deal that pays them a million dollars a year, that's up to them.

They're independent contractors. They have their own ability to go make those deals.
Because of this, I think we're going to see more & more fighters fight out their contracts with Zuffa, as quickly as possible, and make a jump to Bellator. The base pay may not be as much as the UFC can offer for everyone, but the ability to brand themselves and negotiate deals w/ sponsors will be a key factor in their decision making.

What do you think the UFC's program is going to do to the sponsorship market in MMA, generally?

I think there's been some situations that have been explained to me where fighters were making $50-60,000 a fight from all their sponsors [are] now making $10,000 or $15,000 or $20,000. You'd have to talk to UFC to see how they're going to handle that situation, but I'm sure they're going to do something. The fighters are not going to be happy if it's taking out $150-$200,000 a year in sponsorships from their pocket.

I think they're going to have a situation on their hands that they're going to have to deal with.

I will tell you this, the phone's been ringing.
I just tell people, "Listen. We're not going to engage in any kind of dialogue with you on any level unless you're a free agent. When you're free, give me a call."
Zuffa's definitely got a situation on their hands. The next 6-12 months is going to be such an interesting sidebar to watch play out...especially with Coker waiting in the wings to scoop up free agents, and the lawsuit looming. The UFC is going to have to be really careful about how they play their hand here.


How many fighters do you have on the roster at the moment?

I believe it's like 150.

So how much more could you accommodate now if you wanted to?

Well, this year, the answer to that is probably 140 (laughs), but we're going to have an announcement, I'd say, in a couple of months. We're going to expand our schedule next year and do some really fun stuff and cool stuff. We're excited about 2016 and beyond.
Interesting. I wonder what Coker has in store? With the tournament format gone now, and an exclusive deal with Spike TV, how can they expand their schedule? This one has me stumped a bit...

Monitoring social media, there's a lot of talk about whether now is the time for a fighter's union. What is your view on the potentiality of something like that happening?

This is all speculation, right? We can only talk about hypotheticals, but all I can say is this. When I was in business with the Silicon Valley Sports & Entertainment Group and half the company was owned by the group that owns the San Jose Sharks, we kind of set up our pay structure based upon like a hockey union would do. We paid minimum 68 percent of our gross income to our athletes pay structure. If there was a union, I don't think that would take us off guard by any means because when we structured Strikeforce, we structured based around kind of like if there was a union.

My guys felt very strongly that this is something we should do. If it became real today, we would act accordingly and move forward.
I have no idea what % of gross income Bellator pays their fighters now, or plans to pay them when Coker has Bellator operating efficiently and profitable...but what do you think the % of gross income (revenue) Zuffa is paying their fighters is? Greater, or less than 68%?

Bellator's still a work in progress with your vision. Is that arrangement something you want to set Bellator to do as well?

We can very easily do that. It'd be a similar adjustment and we'd move forward. I just don't know if a union in an individual sport like MMA will really come to fruition at some point or not. There's a lot of hurdles there because this is an individual sport and not a team sport.
There are certainly hurdles, and I think we're going to see how many can be cleared over the next 12-18 months. If a Fighters ASSOCIATION (not union), does come to fruition...does it impact Bellator at all? Or would it be only fighters under Zuffa contracts that join together?

LINK to full article: Scott Coker on UFC-Reebok sponsorship program: Bellator's 'phone's been ringing' - MMA Fighting
 

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Awesome. Love Coker!
as do i. the guy seems to be ready for the near future, and treats fighters good. i doubt the ufc pays anywhere near 68%. before anyone says anything, the expansion costs should come out of the zuffa end, and not before the fighters are paid. that's a business expense that they should foot the bill for. they get to claim it on taxes, and the fighters don't.
 

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Coker would Run the UFC like it's supposed to...Cue Suge Knights speech at the Source awards in regards not having to be all up in the videos...Suge is a POS I hate puffy worse lol
 

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For example, Jimmo says fire me, i don't care.......why do that? end game = get out of bad contract and open the door.
 

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Coker is such a straight shooter. I wish him and Bellator all the success that they can get.
 

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agree, but let's not see more tito/bonnar episodes, at least IMO
I honestly have no problem with them using aging names to attract views. Some people might only tune in for the main event, which likely won't be great, but some will tune in for the build up. Which is where you stack your young up and coming talent in interesting match ups, a squash match or two, and then a great fight in co-main(real main event). That way the eyeballs brought in by the aging talent get to see the new guys, hopefully becoming fans of theirs, and tuning in next week/event/time they fight.
 

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I honestly have no problem with them using aging names to attract views. Some people might only tune in for the main event, which likely won't be great, but some will tune in for the build up. Which is where you stack your young up and coming talent in interesting match ups, a squash match or two, and then a great fight in co-main(real main event). That way the eyeballs brought in by the aging talent get to see the new guys, hopefully becoming fans of theirs, and tuning in next week/event/time they fight.
agree with attracting views, but that was WWE in my opinion................though, maybe that's why they don't hire me run the org :) , though, make no mistake about it, i could run it, just may not actually attract any viewers.
 

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agree with attracting views, but that was WWE in my opinion................though, maybe that's why they don't hire me run the org :) , though, make no mistake about it, i could run it, just may not actually attract any viewers.
The bag thing with Justin McCaully was ridiculous (still laugh at how cringe worth that was)...but I'm all for a good freak show match-up every now and then. Shit, I wish they would do some fights with Frank Shamrock, Royce, etc.
 

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That was a good read. I hope the UFC loses a bunch of top guys and realizes they fucked up. It really seems that the UFC or Dana whatever are trying to squeeze the life out of their employees any chance they can. That's how I see it.
 

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The bag thing with Justin McCaully was ridiculous (still laugh at how cringe worth that was)...but I'm all for a good freak show match-up every now and then. Shit, I wish they would do some fights with Frank Shamrock, Royce, etc.
Didn't Jimmy Smith @Jimmy Smith say that Scott and Bellator has no idea that bag thing with McCaully was going down?
 

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The UFC will come around eventually, or everyone will skip to Bel. Coker is well respected in the industry, so I wish nothing but the best for his organization,
 

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Coker is great, setting the record straight on the sale of Strikeforce is awesome, the Zuftards have been spamming that one backwards since it happened.
 

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Scott Coker - The phone's been ringing. I just tell people, "Listen. We're not going to engage in any kind of dialogue with you on any level unless you're a free agent.
This Reebok deal really opens up the market for Bellator. They can pay their fighters less and those guys can still come out making more from the sponsors. Brendan Schaub was on his podcast talking about sponsor pay and it was 2x or 3x more than what the UFC was paying him.
 

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What part are you referring to Chaos?
From another article I think, I haven't gone through this one entirely. But it was posted elsewhere I thought it was part of this article but I think it was from a while ago.

SCOTT COKER:

I told my guys we should wait another year, but they saw what was on the table right now and it was attractive to them.

I never imagined that the UFC would leave SPIKE. If I'd known that I would have told them to wait and we could have had Viacom as a partner and we would have been on both Showtime and SPIKE.

But it's not true we had to sell. That we had to be saved. That's just not true. We were the only company besides the UFC that was doing arena shows that could do million dollar gates. We had a multimillion dollar deal with Showtime. We were bringing in seven figures a year from sponsorships and over seven figures a year from our international deals. We had a Rockstar deal. Full Tilt Poker. We had Shine International handling the foreign markets. We were a company that was making money on all of our events except for the Fedor fights.

The only reason we got sold is because Zuffa came in and offered to write a big check.
 

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Great comments from Coker. He does seem to get it. The fighters are independent contractors, NOT employees. Big difference, and the UFC action regarding sponsorships could raise some interesting questions, regarding the status of the fighters under contract to that promotion. Could it lead to an interpretation that the fighters are, in actuality, employees. LOTS of tax and Social Security implications in that discussion.