General I bought my first gun TME

[Filthy]

So again, my initial question was towards Johnnyhendrixbeard regarding whether he still used a solvent in order to clean his guns or if he had switched to using a lubricant for cleaning and lubrication.Im not saying that a product has to have 'gun' written on the side of the bottle in order for it to work on a gun. Metal is metal and I was always taught to use a solvent to clean and a lubricant to lubricate. That being said, many firearm products are specifically geared towards copper and lead fouling, not present in an engine. I would sooner spend $6 on a bottle of hoppes than jugs of its ingredient list that you posted.

No need to call me a tacticool monkey. I've been nothing but cordial with you. Besides if anything, the common stigma behind hoppes is that it is 'redneck cologne' and considered 'fudd' by the tacticool community.

I definitely WAS NOT calling you a Tacticool Monkey. I'm sorry you read it that way. Just wanted to point out that it's easier to give away bottles of a "proprietary recipe" (coconut oil) than it is to actually try to engineer something that is uniquely suited for firearms. Firearms are a very easy use case for solvents and lubricants, so no need to reinvent the wheel. And I'm not saying you need to go make yourself a bathtub of Ed's Red and throw out your Hoppes - to each his own. But if you want to save a little $$, you can get a superior solvent at a fraction of what Hoppe's will charge you. IIRC, Hoppe's and M-Pro 7 are both made by Pantheon.

Again - I'm very sorry if I'm coming off as a dickwad or a know-it-all. I used to work in a factory for a company that hires the best chemical engineers in the world, and I was known as a 'gun guy'...so I've had a lot of conversations about lubricants and solvents.

whether you're using M-Pro 7, Hoppe's #9, Ed's Red, or Mobil1 - the most important thing is that you clean your weapon properly and thoroughly every time you take it shooting. Happy Smoke-Making, brother.

 

[Filthy]

Motor oil, engine oil, or engine lubricant is any of various substances (comprising oilenhanced with additives, for example, in many cases, extreme pressure additives) that are used for lubrication of internal combustion engines. The main function of motor oil is to reduce wear on moving parts; it also cleans moving parts from the sludge, inhibits corrosion, improves sealing, and cools the engine by carrying heat away from moving parts.[1]

most motor oils also have benzene compounds. those are bad for your health, and can be absorbed through your skin. So if you're regularly shooting/cleaning...probably not the best choice. They have good boundary lubrication characteristics, but not good corrosion protection or resistance to open-air oxidization.

ATF is a better choice, IMAO.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

but not good corrosion protection or resistance to open-air oxidization.

Your guns would need to see a significant level of neglect for those to be legitimate concerns.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

Your guns would need to see a significant level of neglect for those to be legitimate concerns.

One of the more common rounds in Canada is the surplus corrosive 7.62x39, so it is a legitimate concern for anyone using it.

On top of that, you can get corrosion from shooting on a humid day and leaving your gun in a foam case overnight. Another common example would be a hunting trip or a tactical course. The only way that corrosion isn't a factor is if you own 'safe queens' than never see the great outdoors.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

One of the more common rounds in Canada is the surplus corrosive 7.62x39, so it is a legitimate concern for anyone using it.

It's generally accepted that corrosive ammo requires immediate cleaning after use regardless of the cleaners/oils you use.

On top of that, you can get corrosion from shooting on a humid day and leaving your gun in a foam case overnight. Another common example would be a hunting trip or a tactical course.

I haven't had issues with these circumstances with any of my guns. Mind you I've also never had a reason to leave them cased overnight. I use them as required and when I get home I put them in their cabinet until I have an opportunity to clean them.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

I definitely WAS NOT calling you a Tacticool Monkey. I'm sorry you read it that way. Just wanted to point out that it's easier to give away bottles of a "proprietary recipe" (coconut oil) than it is to actually try to engineer something that is uniquely suited for firearms. Firearms are a very easy use case for solvents and lubricants, so no need to reinvent the wheel. And I'm not saying you need to go make yourself a bathtub of Ed's Red and throw out your Hoppes - to each his own. But if you want to save a little $$, you can get a superior solvent at a fraction of what Hoppe's will charge you. IIRC, Hoppe's and M-Pro 7 are both made by Pantheon.

Again - I'm very sorry if I'm coming off as a dickwad or a know-it-all. I used to work in a factory for a company that hires the best chemical engineers in the world, and I was known as a 'gun guy'...so I've had a lot of conversations about lubricants and solvents.

whether you're using M-Pro 7, Hoppe's #9, Ed's Red, or Mobil1 - the most important thing is that you clean your weapon properly and thoroughly every time you take it shooting. Happy Smoke-Making, brother.

Like I said, a bottle of hoppes is like $6. I'd love to hear your superior solvent at a fraction of the cost as I'm always up for saving a buck.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

It's generally accepted that corrosive ammo requires immediate cleaning after use regardless of the cleaners/oils you use.



I haven't had issues with these circumstances with any of my guns. Mind you I've also never had a reason to leave them cased overnight. I use them as required and when I get home I put them in their cabinet until I have an opportunity to clean them.

If you must immediately clean your gun after shooting due to corrosion, then corrosion is definitely a legitimate concern.

Have you ever hunted for days on end in the rain or snow? Have you ever done a tactical course and washed out your mud plugged barrel in a stream in order to continue the class that you paid a lot of money for? A lot of guys that use firearms for wilderness protection keep them in foam lined gun boots on their Atv's. Some people put their guns through a lot harder use than the rest of us.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

If you must immediately clean your gun after shooting due to corrosion, then corrosion is definitely a legitimate concern.

Which is why I said neglect would be a factor.

Have you ever hunted for days on end in the rain or snow?

Not without being home in between days.

Have you ever done a tactical course and washed out your mud plugged barrel in a stream in order to continue the class that you paid a lot of money for?

Nope. The couple times I've been fortunate enough to do any courses it's been absurdly hot.

Some people put their guns through a lot harder use than the rest of us.

Absolutely agree, and I don't pretend to speak for them.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

The point that I am trying to make is that corrosion is a legitimate concern and it doesn't necessarily mean that you have been neglecting your firearms. The average recreational shooter is probably more likely to have an issue with it than copper, lead, or carbon fouling.

What tactical courses have you participated in?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

The point that I am trying to make is that corrosion is a legitimate concern and it doesn't necessarily mean that you have been neglecting your firearms.

Except that it's addressed by a very basic level of care. Unless you're of the opinion that shooting corrosive ammo doesn't justify cleaning your gun after use, or that wiping it down after use in inclement weather wouldn't be considered neglectful.

What tactical courses have you participated in?

Nothing particularly special or advanced. Just some basic pistol handling. Proper reloads, use of a mounted light, and shooting drills.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

Except that it's addressed by a very basic level of care. Unless you're of the opinion that shooting corrosive ammo doesn't justify cleaning your gun after use, or that wiping it down after use in inclement weather wouldn't be considered neglectful.



Nothing particularly special or advanced. Just some basic pistol handling. Proper reloads, use of a mounted light, and shooting drills.

We both know that I don't feel that way about cleaning after shooting corrosive ammo. It's great practice to wipe down a firearm after use in inclement weather, but it may be futile. Most hunters that I know don't set up camp in their own bedroom and lock their guns in their humidity controlled safe for the night. Sometimes you can't get out of it and you are wet in the tent 24/7.

Everything maintenance wise on gun is addressed by a very basic level of care. They aren't complicated devices.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

It's great practice to wipe down a firearm after use in inclement weather, but it may be futile. Most hunters that I know don't set up camp in their own bedroom and lock their guns in their humidity controlled safe for the night. Sometimes you can't get out of it and you are wet in the tent 24/7.

Conversely, everyone I know who hunts either goes to a property with a cabin on it, or goes home at the end of the day. Camping while hunting isn't really a viable option here.

 

[mysticmac]

You guys really like lube.

 

[Filthy]

just because we like it doesn't mean we need it.

 

[mysticmac]

just because we like it doesn't mean we need it.

But what about corrosion?

 

[Filthy]

it's just on the surface. put enough elbow-grease to it, and you'll be fine.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

But what about corrosion?

You just need more lube bro. MOAR LUBE!!!

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

Conversely, everyone I know who hunts either goes to a property with a cabin on it, or goes home at the end of the day. Camping while hunting isn't really a viable option here.

Why is camping while hunting not really a viable option?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Why is camping while hunting not really a viable option?

Most public land around here that allows hunting doesn't allow camping, and vice versa. Having said that, fuck camping.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

Most public land around here that allows hunting doesn't allow camping, and vice versa. Having said that, fuck camping.

There isn't a single WMU (wildlife management unit) in Ontario that doesn't allow overnight camping. It's crown land. Give me the WMU number where this is going on and we can make a really big stink up to the federal level.

Here's a list for Ontario.

Find a wildlife management unit (WMU) map

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

There isn't a single WMU (wildlife management unit) in Ontario that doesn't allow overnight camping. It's crown land. Give me the WMU number where this is going on and we can make a really big stink up to the federal level.

Here's a list for Ontario.

Find a wildlife management unit (WMU) map

WMU's =/= crown land

There are WMU's where every inch of them is privately owned.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

WMU's =/= crown land

There are WMU's where every inch of them is privately owned.

Again, please name the WMU where this going on. I want to help and can.

I am aware that many WMU's have privately owned land. That still doesn't negate the fact that you can camp on crown land.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Again, please name the WMU where this going on. I want to help and can.

I am aware that many WMU's have privately owned land. That still doesn't negate the fact that you can camp on crown land.

I never said you couldn't camp on crown land.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

Why are you avoiding my question? I want to help.

Which WMU is this happening on?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Why are you avoiding my question? I want to help.

Which WMU is this happening on?

I have no answer for you. You've made up the entire situation, and seem bent on proving some point that's completely beyond me.