Ironfist is rated low on rotten tomatoes
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Just looking at that poster I'm turned off by it.
Was never really interested in it tbw.
Was never really interested in it tbw.
Fuck critics.
Watch and judge for yourselves.
Watch and judge for yourselves.
Critics got it twisted.
Well.. first ep wasn't horrible but it wasn't exactly good either.
Felt very familiar kinda, very cliché-esque chars and plot developments, could have easily been your typical fighting with mystical asian background-movie sprinkled with a little ptsd, just with slower tempo. And despite the tempo he meets that one chick in all of (new york?) right away, sure thang.
Reminded me of Elektra and that Arrow-show, from which I saw like 2-3 episodes too, as far as I remember, its pretty much the same story so far.
Will watch 2-3 more and hope it will get better and more interesting. I kinda like the main dude at least.
It is familiar and like you I really like the main dude but I'm only half way through the second episode.Well.. first ep wasn't horrible but it wasn't exactly good either.
Felt very familiar kinda, very cliché-esque chars and plot developments, could have easily been your typical fighting with mystical asian background-movie sprinkled with a little ptsd, just with slower tempo. And despite the tempo he meets that one chick in all of (new york?) right away, sure thang.
Reminded me of Elektra and that Arrow-show, from which I saw like 2-3 episodes too, as far as I remember, its pretty much the same story so far.
Will watch 2-3 more and hope it will get better and more interesting. I kinda like the main dude at least.
I've read a bunch of reviews where sjws bitch about how the main character is white and how once again Hollywood whitewashes another show (which is total bullshit since its following the comic) It pissed me off so much I want the show to do awesome to spite these stupid fuck white guilt critics.
Exactly. Victim mentality is at all time high.
The more you know...
Haven't watched it yet, will they eventually come together as a team in the series?
Now that they've introduced all 4 that's supposed to be coming soon.Exactly. Victim mentality is at all time high.
The more you know...
Haven't watched it yet, will they eventually come together as a team in the series?
I felt cage lost some steam towards the end but I still enjoyed it. I never finished Jessica jones. I've got about 3 episodes left but kind of got sick of it. Loved both seasons of daredevil though.
Here's one of those bullshit articles on iron fist. It makes me very fucking angry that this absolute drivel is what people feel the need to write about. I like to punch the author in the throat.Exactly. Victim mentality is at all time high.
The more you know...
Finn Jones and Iron Fist have one thing in common
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Finn Jones is not having the week he thought he’d have when he first landed the role of Danny Rand in Iron Fist. The new series is the first Marvel Netflix show to draw majority negative reviews, turning the anticipated launch party into an ongoing lesson in what not to do during a crisis. Jones has been under fire for trying to downplay the criticism with comments that have had the opposite effect, whether it’s telling people that Iron Fist is “for fans” rather than critics or suggesting that people only dislike the show because they dislike Donald Trump.
It’s become a fascinating case of life imitating art, especially as it relates to entitlement. At the beginning of Iron Fist, Jones’ Danny Rand is the embodiment of entitlement. The series kicks off when he turns up in New York and demands a meeting with the CEO of Rand Enterprises. He isn’t wearing any shoes, he hasn’t showered for days, and everyone thinks he’s been dead for fifteen years, but he expects to be taken seriously because he walked through the door and put his name on the list.
The studio had a chance to reinvent the character on another platform free from the shackles of continuity, but instead chose to make another show about a white guy at a time when fans are calling for more diversity. For better or worse, this is the inevitable fallout.
From his perspective, he landed a career-making role and tried to make the best show he could
That brings us to Finn Jones, the star currently stumbling through an old set of double standards. The actor seems to have good intentions – the latest controversy started when he shared a speech by Riz Ahmed – but his very involvement in a show like Iron Fistundercuts the point he’s trying to make. Finn Jones is a walking reminder that white actors get better opportunities than their non-white counterparts, and that makes him an unwelcome presence for fans who wanted a different take on the character.
It is possible to navigate that disappointment, but only if the problem is accurately identified. Iron Fist wouldn’t be particularly noteworthy in a media environment with equal representation, and that seems to be what Jones is speaking to when he tries to defend the show. Unfortunately, that world doesn’t exist, which makes it impossible to separate the show from from the broader systemic issues that continue to plague the industry.
Jones’ attempts to deflect criticism feel more evasive than enlightened, as if he’s trying to avoid an uncomfortable conversation about race and representation. He has some inkling that the timing is bad for a show about a white man who masters Asian martial arts, but he doesn’t understand why he’s become the focal point for that backlash. From his perspective, he landed a career-making role and tried to make the best show he could (for the moment, we’ll set aside the question of whether or not he actually did so). He's therefore asking people to make an exception for Iron Fist. He wants people to set aside their frustrations with Hollywood’s casting imbalance for the benefit of one TV show and the career of one white actor.
Iron Fist doesn’t get to be an exception because the show does not exist in isolation
Jones probably believes that his show deserves that special treatment. He feels secure enough to say so because he doesn’t seem to have considered the possibility that his show would be received with anything less than adulation. The part he’s missing is that most people would like to receive the benefit of the doubt. Getting it has to be earned. Like Danny Rand, Jones wants people to see his best intentions, but he hasn’t given any thought to the impression he’s making. Instead of crafting his argument with more care, he’s asking other people to invest the mental energy needed to make his point more coherent, shifting the burden for misinterpretation from the speaker to the audience.
The reality is that Iron Fist doesn’t get to be an exception because the show does not exist in isolation. It perpetuates the kind of cultural appropriation that has sustained white Hollywood for decades, and fans and critics are under no obligation to overlook those optics. I don’t think the show is an outright disaster, but it is ill advised and it definitely makes a few mistakes. The criticisms are perfectly valid — and the context and fan anger need to be acknowledged.
In Iron Fist, Danny is the son of a billionaire, so the system works for him once he convinces powerful people to listen. The fact that he has the confidence to ask for that attention speaks to social privilege that goes well beyond tangible resources.
It remains to be seen whether the same will be true for Finn Jones (my guess: he’ll be fine). He might even be right, insofar as audiences probably will be kinder to Iron Fist than the critics have been. Iron Fist is no Jessica Jones, but neither is it as terrible or remarkable as some of the reviews have suggested. The central arc revolves around Danny’s efforts to balance his role as the Iron Fist with the corporate responsibilities inherited from his family, and the character does become more self-aware and more considerate as he approaches the back half of the series.
However, if Jones is serious about improving representation outside of the show (or if he simply wants to be less tone deaf), he needs to learn to listen and to accept the fact that he can’t have everything. Fans told Marvel that they want more diverse programming. Instead, they’re getting another project about a spoiled white dude. Jones is unable to recognize the ways in which he has benefited from his privilege, and that makes him just as clueless as the character he portrays.
A few episodes in with Iron Fist, not bad so far.
Much better than Jessica Jones. As were Daredevil and Luke Cage.
Punisher should outshine them all.
Much better than Jessica Jones. As were Daredevil and Luke Cage.
Punisher should outshine them all.
How can you even read this shit from begining to end lol. It makes me want to hate diversity, really. I was fine before this "article"Here's one of those bullshit articles on iron fist. It makes me very fucking angry that this absolute drivel is what people feel the need to write about. I like to punch the author in the throat.
Finn Jones and Iron Fist have one thing in common
Finn Jones is not having the week he thought he’d have when he first landed the role of Danny Rand in Iron Fist. The new series is the first Marvel Netflix show to draw majority negative reviews, turning the anticipated launch party into an ongoing lesson in what not to do during a crisis. Jones has been under fire for trying to downplay the criticism with comments that have had the opposite effect, whether it’s telling people that Iron Fist is “for fans” rather than critics or suggesting that people only dislike the show because they dislike Donald Trump.
It’s become a fascinating case of life imitating art, especially as it relates to entitlement. At the beginning of Iron Fist, Jones’ Danny Rand is the embodiment of entitlement. The series kicks off when he turns up in New York and demands a meeting with the CEO of Rand Enterprises. He isn’t wearing any shoes, he hasn’t showered for days, and everyone thinks he’s been dead for fifteen years, but he expects to be taken seriously because he walked through the door and put his name on the list.
The studio had a chance to reinvent the character on another platform free from the shackles of continuity, but instead chose to make another show about a white guy at a time when fans are calling for more diversity. For better or worse, this is the inevitable fallout.
From his perspective, he landed a career-making role and tried to make the best show he could
That brings us to Finn Jones, the star currently stumbling through an old set of double standards. The actor seems to have good intentions – the latest controversy started when he shared a speech by Riz Ahmed – but his very involvement in a show like Iron Fistundercuts the point he’s trying to make. Finn Jones is a walking reminder that white actors get better opportunities than their non-white counterparts, and that makes him an unwelcome presence for fans who wanted a different take on the character.
It is possible to navigate that disappointment, but only if the problem is accurately identified. Iron Fist wouldn’t be particularly noteworthy in a media environment with equal representation, and that seems to be what Jones is speaking to when he tries to defend the show. Unfortunately, that world doesn’t exist, which makes it impossible to separate the show from from the broader systemic issues that continue to plague the industry.
Jones’ attempts to deflect criticism feel more evasive than enlightened, as if he’s trying to avoid an uncomfortable conversation about race and representation. He has some inkling that the timing is bad for a show about a white man who masters Asian martial arts, but he doesn’t understand why he’s become the focal point for that backlash. From his perspective, he landed a career-making role and tried to make the best show he could (for the moment, we’ll set aside the question of whether or not he actually did so). He's therefore asking people to make an exception for Iron Fist. He wants people to set aside their frustrations with Hollywood’s casting imbalance for the benefit of one TV show and the career of one white actor.
Iron Fist doesn’t get to be an exception because the show does not exist in isolation
Jones probably believes that his show deserves that special treatment. He feels secure enough to say so because he doesn’t seem to have considered the possibility that his show would be received with anything less than adulation. The part he’s missing is that most people would like to receive the benefit of the doubt. Getting it has to be earned. Like Danny Rand, Jones wants people to see his best intentions, but he hasn’t given any thought to the impression he’s making. Instead of crafting his argument with more care, he’s asking other people to invest the mental energy needed to make his point more coherent, shifting the burden for misinterpretation from the speaker to the audience.
The reality is that Iron Fist doesn’t get to be an exception because the show does not exist in isolation. It perpetuates the kind of cultural appropriation that has sustained white Hollywood for decades, and fans and critics are under no obligation to overlook those optics. I don’t think the show is an outright disaster, but it is ill advised and it definitely makes a few mistakes. The criticisms are perfectly valid — and the context and fan anger need to be acknowledged.
In Iron Fist, Danny is the son of a billionaire, so the system works for him once he convinces powerful people to listen. The fact that he has the confidence to ask for that attention speaks to social privilege that goes well beyond tangible resources.
It remains to be seen whether the same will be true for Finn Jones (my guess: he’ll be fine). He might even be right, insofar as audiences probably will be kinder to Iron Fist than the critics have been. Iron Fist is no Jessica Jones, but neither is it as terrible or remarkable as some of the reviews have suggested. The central arc revolves around Danny’s efforts to balance his role as the Iron Fist with the corporate responsibilities inherited from his family, and the character does become more self-aware and more considerate as he approaches the back half of the series.
However, if Jones is serious about improving representation outside of the show (or if he simply wants to be less tone deaf), he needs to learn to listen and to accept the fact that he can’t have everything. Fans told Marvel that they want more diverse programming. Instead, they’re getting another project about a spoiled white dude. Jones is unable to recognize the ways in which he has benefited from his privilege, and that makes him just as clueless as the character he portrays.
.Yes and that by definition does not make her a
as lead.
Even without that, she is so much less cliché than Luke Cage, and I've seen both completely. You should give it, and her, a shot perhaps. Her sidekick is a kinda annoying cliché tho imo.
As for the diversity stuff, its weird to complain about it. I think at most you could complain if they change from the source, like if they made Luke Cage white or something.
I could see their point if it was a standalone new thing perhaps. The rich white boy prodigy that understands everything, including Asian stuff better than his Asian sidekick.
But the source is the source, and the source is a universe build around providing a hopeful and fun fantasy world for American kids they can easily identify with. And the universe is far from only having white male heroes.
And I mean, are these people also complaining about that there are no African chars in Dragonball? I don't think so.
What upsets me about this situation is that if the Caucasian world had a collective shit fit and took to the internet when the made nick fury a black dude we would all be racist for holding back diversity.
When did this absurdity reach the point in which people attacking the actor, slamming the show and saying the whole thing is based on white privilege is acceptable? The hate fuelled reaction of these so called social justice warriors is becoming alarmingly close to allowable censorship and racism.
I don't understand how attacking, bulling and name calling became an acceptable form of protest. The far left became the religious right and are too caught up in their own crusades to realize the irony.
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Yep. As far as I'm concerned those are creative decisions and I don't care what colour a character has, unless its obvious racism or doesn't make sense, like casting an Inuit for the inevitably coming Usain Bolt biopic.
I think the Jessica Jones character tried to hard to be tough, almost like a guy. Maybe it is the casting, as if it doesn't suit her as good as was intended. Authenticity perhaps. I may have given Luke Cage a pass, I always found his character badass. Maybe when they get together (they were married) it will become less forced. So I may go back and pick up on Jessica Jones but, as of now, I lost interest the first episode in.
Its an almost reversed fascism, just as fanatic. Certain ideas can be spoken of, and others are forced upon you without discussion or exchange of ideas.
Turning white heroes into black ones is insulting, more to the black community, as if that is some sort of an apology for past transgression. It is not a solution either. It's also at the same time, admitting that there can be no such thing as an original black, hispanic, or asian hero. Luke Cage is such a hero, original, solid and authentic back story (no token ethnic guy).
Cast as close as to the original character as you can, that is what my message is. Nothing to do with race. For instance, a Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher was total bullshit. And you will understand only, when you have read the novels.
She remained more or less irritable throughout, but there are depths to her that tie in well with the plot. Also Luke Cage is pretty prominent already in that season, no need to wait for that, and the antagonist is really good, you might like him and make him your protagonist.
I think that is a little too narrow-minded. If you want you can complain about anything and project all kinds of stuff. Like why is Mr.Miagi not played by Roy Nelson? If I wanted to I could make a case based on prejudice.
I'd just say let the creative people do their thing with their fictional chars and keep the politics out of it as much as possible.
What I find HILARIOUS in today's SJW world is that the party line is that gender is meaningless and you can pick whatever you identify as: man, woman, octopus, whatever. And that is fine. So basically the physicality of how you are born is meaningless when it comes to gender BUT race is everything. How you are born regarding the color of your skin is the single most meaningful prism by which you view and interact with the world and how the world interacts with you.........
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A world where those in power can say and do whatever they want, outside of any standard (like, say, logic), has been a staple of totalitarianism for millennia...
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A world where those in power can say and do whatever they want, outside of any standard (like, say, logic), has been a staple of totalitarianism for millennia...