That does not contradict what Joe said.
Joe Rogan: Conor McGregor KO means Jose Aldo’s legacy ‘is always gonna be tarnished’
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I hate using the "I've been a fan longer" card but that's my feeling when reading this. If you just tuned in during Conor's career then ya, you'll remember the best FW getting KTFO and that it. If you take the time to know what he's done that loss won't be all he's remembered for.
because unlike nate
conor will never give a rematch
absolutely comparable IMO
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When Aldo earns one, I'm sure Conor will bless him.
how did conor earn one after getting rocked, choked and tapping at the first sign of adversity?
He didn't.
Conor has a ton more talent than Ronda but he is coddled and protected in much the same way.
I am a fan of Mcgregor, but he has ducked a bunch of guys and that is the facts.
Still defended zero belts and has no plans to do so...That is not to be applauded IMO
In the minds of casual non-MMA fans maybe. Within MMA circles it's a vocal contigent of Conor ball garblers and hack commentators, of which Joe is joining the ranks even if it is unwittingly.
After Aldo retires, there will be a correction in how he is perceived by proper MMA fans. Edgar secures his legacy, because people will be discussing Frankie as an ATG when he retires too and then Aldo unavoidably jumps into the discussion.
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If title shots were given solely based on merit, he wouldn't been worthy of a rematch with Nate.
But because that's not the way it works, he got his rematch and won against a guy who is a stylistic nightmare for him.
Now let's look at Aldo. Zero drawing power, so we have to go based on merit.
Because of what Conor has done (in winning the lightweight belt while holding the featherweight belt), Aldo would not only have to beat Holloway convincingly, he'd also have to go up to lightweight and beat Khabib, Fergie, or Nate. He'd probably have to finish whichever one he fought.
That would make him worthy of a rematch with C-Gandhi, but I think everyone can agree that Aldo can't and won't do all of that.
Most MMA fans in general are not "proper" MMA fans. It will be the hardcores who remember Aldo for his greatness, and I think that includes Rogan, I just think his statement is being taken out of context here.
I think the confusion here is between "will be" and "should be". Rogan said it will be tarnished, not that it should be.
you haven't been trolling much lately but that post is a bit crazy
When a guy doesn't lose in 10 years he deserves a rematch IMO
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OK lets play.
Conor won a decision awarded by the judges in a fight that was ended via time limit
Nate could have killed conor if nobody stepped in
Those are very different IMO
If you don't tink Aldo deserved a rematch that is fine but realize you have double standards and poor logic
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If we really look at things logically:
- Conor was whooping Nate's ass before he gassed hard. He also accepted that fight on two weeks' notice. The rematch was intriguing because everyone wondered how Conor would fare if his cardio was on point.
That Conor was still a betting favorite going into the rematch (despite getting submitted in the 2nd round of the first fight) says a lot.
- Aldo got starched in 13 seconds after having over half a year to prepare for Conor. Despite winning yet ANOTHER decision to get the interim FW title, nothing Aldo has done since getting flattened has anyone thinking a second fight with Conor would favor him.
Aldo would be at least +300 if we go by betting odds.
So HONESTLY, who looks more deserving of a rematch now???
"was whooping" is an excuse....conor got rocked and finished...period end of discussion for that fight.
Aldo just dominated Frankie Edgar...one of the most proven LWs ever
Conor doesn't want to fight either of those guys and we both know it
Gonna just agree to disagree bro....enjoy your day
Nate wanted the rematch too. Don't forget that. He's complained recently about it, but he stated publicly when 200 fell apart that he isn't fighting anybody but Conor. Conor got the rematch because Conor gets what he wants. Conor gets what he wants because he is the biggest star the sport has ever had, and he has legitimately helped the UFC out in multiple situations. He didn't have to take Chad Mendes on short notice, while very injured by all accounts (not coming from him). He didn't have to take the Nate short notice fight either, and the Nate fight happened because he went up to fight Dos Anjos, who looked like a fucking monster at that point. It's not like he's fighting cans. The first Nate fight also broke the PPV record, so it made sense for him to do it again.
Aldo deserved a rematch on merit, but it didn't make promotional sense in the slightest, especially for a guy like Conor, so while I wouldn't have had an issue with an Aldo rematch, it's fairly clear why they made the decision not to run that back, and I think it's a good choice overall. As a fan I would have liked it, but if I'm running a fight promotion I probably would have done the same exact thing.
Guess it comes down to what the definition of Earn is for rematches.
I really don't care about money so I feel different about it, yes for promotion reason he should be protected and harvest every possible dollar off of him until the cash cow has to go out to pasture.
UFC is gonna regret the way they built him and catered to him IMO...many fighters are gonna duck and juke top comp now as we see in many divisions right now.
I do understand the money making decisions by promotion, but it should not take away from the fact that the best LW ever is Jose Aldo.
I don't think conor can or should fight at 145 personally. Looked very unhealthy when he cut all that for the size advantage.
You're absolutely right about that, but a fighter has to balance merit with earnings in the long run. Going up and trying to get a second belt maximized both of those for him.
I think Conor being "protected" has been blown way out of proportion. The Nate rematch was him running back one of the more dangerous fights in the promotion, and one that he was just shown is very dangerous for him. How protected can he be when they allowed him to fight Nate again after Nate choked him out?
I agree with you almost completely here, but I think they may take the annoying stuff going on since Conor has made them so much damn money, and will continue to.
Agree 100%
Max Holloway Pissed Off When People Say Jose Aldo's Legacy Is Tarnished By McGregor KO
At 6:40 he has some great things to say about Connor.
At 6:40 he has some great things to say about Connor.
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this is dont agree with, if they dont book the immediate rematch he loses 100% of the time in terms of marketability, and his career legacy. the only way to protect him in that scenario would be to grant the immediate rematch to give him a chance to win and erase that black mark on his record. what other fight could they give him and have that loss to nate blow over? there wasnt. he got finished. it was also a fight he looked good in before getting choked out, they had every reason to think he could win the second, and he did.
That's not a bad take at all, but then I'd go to him putting it all on the line against Mendes and RDA in two very dangerous fights for him. I think those are both indications of a guy who isn't being protected as much as people claim he was. Every choice he's made has made promotional sense. I think the driving factor is money over easy fights. He hasn't had an easy fight since Siver.
This statement is so out of reality. Why didn't his first loss in 05 tarnish his legacy? The current 26-2 record isn't too shabby. Who is at the upper esheleon of the sport with a record like that (past or present)? Very very few.
that doesn't mean he wasn't protected. he was willing himself to take these challenges when he was coming up and hungry, which is the greatest thing he's ever done - fight frequently, in an example that everyone else should follow - he was calling the shots, it's not that the ufc wasn't willing to protect him.
he still was protected and catered to in every way the ufc could. clearly the fireworks, endless media and special presentations in his fights affected his opponents in some way. not that it's an excuse, again, props to Conor for getting whatever he got - but those hard nosed guys have been fighting for years, playing the ufc game, racking up wins and titles then comes this new guy and everything is changed upside down with the org behind him in every way - year long media tour torture for Aldo, being allowed to snatch his belt while the boss laughs it off, having special walkouts, special shorts and who knows what else.
I'm not denying he has received special treatment. I am saying that the matchmaking doesn't scream "protected" in the sense that people insinuate. I don't think he has been given the easiest matchups. I can't dispute what you listed, but if you think about the Chad fight in particular, they built a MASSIVE PPV around Conor, had live music for the walk-ups, and did it all after a massive world tour with Conor doing more media than even Aldo. That fight week, after Chad stepped in, Conor continued to do media. He had more pressure on him than any fighter I can ever think of, and he delivered. He wasn't used to that at that time either, but he was good at it. I don't see how that means that his opponents were put in an unfair situation. He then went to fight RDA, and yeah that got ugly at the press conference, but I don't think Conor's aptitude for trash talk and the attention he brings can really be chalked up to "protection". Then came Nate, who doesn't give two shits about the Conor pressure, and he beat Conor. As was pointed out above, Conor then rematched Nate, and had he lost much of this would have came tumbling down. Tons of pressure on Conor there, and he delivered. The Eddie fight had some media, but not nearly as much as the other fights and Eddie cracked in the cage. Has there ever been a UFC fighter who had more pressure on him and delivered as often as Conor?
That first loss didn't come in the first MASSIVE fight of his career. That's simple. Aldo has had one huge fight, and he got floored in 13 seconds. People are undoubtedly going to remember that forever.
Also, once again, Rogan wasn't saying it should be tarnished. It shouldn't be, and people who have followed this sport closely won't see it that way, but Aldo wasn't a draw before Conor and he still might not be a draw. His most watched fight by leaps and bounds will be the Conor one, unfortunately, and yes it is going to affect his legacy, justified or not.