They ain't going to do shit with the Irish guy. That's y it's fucked up cuz they just bully the little guy.
Demetrious Johnson (Mighty Mouse) on Ray Borg/TJ situation and disagreement with Dana White
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Well, and he shouldn't. That is why the fight is fair only if TJ agrees to meet him at DJ's weight. And from what I gather he is willing to do so. DJ has the upper hand here, and his best chance at gaining respect in a fair way. It would be good for him. Especially with Cody willing to fight TJ, that would be a massive setup for that fight. He doesn't have the personality so he is one of those fighters that needs to talk with the hands. But he needs to start taking chances or not talk PPV points ever.
That's the strongest argument for y this is ok. But no one was bullied in that scenario and Edgar was planning a permanent move to fw (his natural weight) which they're planning to build and he'd be a great addition. Isn't TJ's deal just for this one time?
I see it as a chicken-egg question. Is DJ chicken, or is Egg just a dipshit?
jokes aside, they've never promoted the lighter weight classes. Maybe they never drew before, but now you have a dominant champ that puts on exciting fights and is a straight-up Finisher. If you can't at least put the effort in to promoting that guy, Egg & Company should stop pissing around and close the division.
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Listening to DJ on the MMAhour really opened the curtain on things.
Whoever egg is trying to get him to fight isn't the issue. It's DJ being threatened and treated like shit that's caused this problem. If Dana wasn't such a fucking cunt and had treated DJ with just a little bit of respect that a champion whose won ten fights in a row deserves we never would've heard any of this.
Dana is trying to wag the dog and make this look like DJ is running and the fight not being made is all his fault. This way the fans will not pay attention to the treatment of their fighters which lets face it is the real issue. If Mouse hadn't stepped up to defend himself we would not have concretely known how bad it's become. I would also like to point out that even though we now know the other side by the looks of the comments here Dana's bullshit it's most definitely working.
Dana is trying to wag the dog and make this look like DJ is running and the fight not being made is all his fault. This way the fans will not pay attention to the treatment of their fighters which lets face it is the real issue. If Mouse hadn't stepped up to defend himself we would not have concretely known how bad it's become. I would also like to point out that even though we now know the other side by the looks of the comments here Dana's bullshit it's most definitely working.
for real, when was the last time you were excited to see MM defend his belt? the dodson rematch? that was four title defenses ago. MM vs TJ was a fight i was excited to see, for once lol, and DJ doesn't want any part of it
all MM's personal reasons and the ufc bs aside,
he mentions that the UFC want to push TJ ... also that DJ would only get PPV points for his one next fight ... and that when he ususally fights someone there is too little promotion ... but the UFC wants to push TJ - hmmmmm.... if MM wanted to make some bigger waves and fight the fight that's the biggest one for him, wouldn't the TJ-fight make more sense purely from that standpoint?
Exactly, a business move if anything else. Plenty of fighters that don't get the push but do a lot better on self-promotion. Derrick Lewis anyone? I don't care who he fights, I want to see it. MM has market oppertunities, but unfortunately not pushed by UFC brass. But that doesn't make him the one and only that ever happened to. Aldo anyone?
I think the TJ fight would be a hell of a fight to watch, they are both so well rounded. But alas.
It could easily happen if they'll guarantee his full pay plus TJs if TJ misses weight. If the UFC believes that he can make weight this isn't a gamble but they won't pay so who's fault is this shit?
I would think not since it is for the title. If it is not for the title, then still a great oppertunity for DJ. Let's establish though that right now, Borg looks like the easier option for DJ.
People are indifferent about Mighty Mouse, they do not hate him. That is a problem. So the only way to make waves is to be tested. But I think he wants that record of defenses. Having the cake and eat it too.
THat's where the part of taking chances comes in. DJ fights right now to make a record, or he fights for his legacy. Tough spot, but I think that comes close to reality as is.
"I wanted a reason for not being allowed any future ppv points Sean Shelby called and told us how smaller fighters don’t sell, that UFC can’t make stars of anyone, and that a fight between Cody and I wouldn’t be a sellable fight. "
MM vs Cody would be outfuckinstanding.
His willingness to take Cody (as sitting 135 champ) makes everything else he ways "congruent" if true.
MM vs Cody would be outfuckinstanding.
His willingness to take Cody (as sitting 135 champ) makes everything else he ways "congruent" if true.
And everything he stated as to his demands & concerns re Dillashaw (making weight, Ray Borg as back-up if Dillashaw misses weight, financial penalty/reward if Dillashaw misses weight) is totally rational/not-unreasonable.
The UFC guaranteeing Dillashaw would make 125, if they did that, is a ridiculous asshole move, plainly FOS. How the fuck can they "guarantee" anybody doing down in weight will make championship weight at a lower division. To even say that as a bargaining chip is ridiculous, disingenuous, & an insult (disrespectful) to even an idiot's intelligence.
I've seen early UFC contracts. They're fukin ridiculous & insulting. The terms are optional if you lose (the UFC can choose to honor or dissolve the contract at their discretion if you lose a fight) but iron clad if you keep winning (i.e. you are locked into a pay scale if you win, they can abandon your agreed pay if you lose) -- i.e. the contract expresses commitment only on the part of the fighter, not the promotion, is a completely one way contract) and that is one of the less ridiculous stipulations, one of the worse ones being the rights to your name & likeness for life
The UFC guaranteeing Dillashaw would make 125, if they did that, is a ridiculous asshole move, plainly FOS. How the fuck can they "guarantee" anybody doing down in weight will make championship weight at a lower division. To even say that as a bargaining chip is ridiculous, disingenuous, & an insult (disrespectful) to even an idiot's intelligence.
I've seen early UFC contracts. They're fukin ridiculous & insulting. The terms are optional if you lose (the UFC can choose to honor or dissolve the contract at their discretion if you lose a fight) but iron clad if you keep winning (i.e. you are locked into a pay scale if you win, they can abandon your agreed pay if you lose) -- i.e. the contract expresses commitment only on the part of the fighter, not the promotion, is a completely one way contract) and that is one of the less ridiculous stipulations, one of the worse ones being the rights to your name & likeness for life
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him saying "we want pay per view points for future flyweight fights" made me think he wasn't getting pay per view points at all, and they offered him them as an incentive to fight ray borg. (I could be wrong, it just sounded that way to me from the context)
I think he outright stated he's never gotten PPV points, ever. No time to check it right now, tho.
he stated he has never received PPV points where all the other champs are
This is how they've operated for years, so not even surprised. Intimidating and bullying fighters thru the media...tarnishing their careers and even calling their character into question. Glad to see fighters have finally had enough and are pushing back.
Finally DJ calls Dana out. The Diaz brothers did it. Connor did it. That's how you get paid. Make that fucker stroke checks for your talent. What's he going to do? Let more talent walk to Bellator? DJ should join the Money Team, & start talking shit about Connor running to boxing. Stir some shit up.
he did talk shit about conr gng to boxing fucking up that division on The MMA Hour
There are multiple threads in this, confuscioused as to which to post in
i posted in this one, so this is the Thread of Record on the subject.
But y? TJ's not marketable anymore than DJ. They are when they are fighting each other but TJ is not marketable by himself at all.My take on the situation!
