Society The U.S. fertility rate just hit a historic low. Why some demographers are freaking out.

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Just have your kids man, dont let bullshit economic hypothesis stand in the way of your key biological reason for being here.

I didn't say it was standing in our way, I was saying it's a factor that enters into a person's thought process.

 

[otaku1]

I don't think it's willingly. For my wife and I having kids is a serious financial concern. The cost of living is far outpacing wage growth, and being able to provide for our future kids is most definitely a concern of ours even though we have what most would consider to be "good jobs". Our economy is currently set up that dual income households are almost a necessity and that the only people who can afford to have large families are extremely rich (because they're rich) or extremely poor (and do it through government handouts) The middle class doesn't have enough to do well, and isn't poor enough to get help.



This to me is a separate issue although related. Women who want to have successful careers (medical, law, politics, etc) in large part need to do it at the expense of having families.

You bring up good points.

By willingly I was speaking about the many people I meet who don't want kids... as the world is overpopulated etc. This sort of thinking prevails strongly in the west.

While I agree that income/purchase power/cost of living has an impact on many decisions such as raising a family; I do not think it's the main factor. The most important factor are the values. Individual values have replaced family values. Raising a family involves a certain level of sacrifice that many don't want to do anymore. Many people in my entourage/surroundings, guys in their 40s with good to very good income don't have kids and pursue either what I'd call a retarded teenager lifestyle or a career involving lots of hours/cash. No room for kids there. They'd be in the way.

Amazing isn't it.
Kids are in the way.
That's a serious shift of values here that I noticed in several of my friends (Ontario, Quebec, USA and Europe).

 

[otaku1]

Just have your kids man, dont let bullshit economic hypothesis stand in the way of your key biological reason for being here.

Ive raised two on what was a single income family and now a single income supporting two households, kids have been overseas 8 times, want for nothing, good schools, both tallest in their grade (I know "for now" but just saying they cant be malnutritioned).

That's what I thought.
And got my kids.
Best decision of my life.

 

[otaku1]

Yes.

The "Melting Pot vs Mosaic" concept is a myth that was created by PET to get immigrant votes (as was pointed out by @otaku1 ) Neither concept has anything to do with abandoning your culture or history. One suggests that you put your new home ahead of your old one, the other says your new home should play second fiddle. The concepts aren't nearly as different as Canadians have falsely been taught to believe. Contrary to popular belief by people who don't live in America, there's room for everyone there just as there is here, or anywhere else in the world. But don't just take my word for it. Listen to the wise words of WWE superstar, 16 time champion, and future WWE Hall of Famer John Cena as he speaks about America and patriotism:

Couldn't have said it better.
Nailed it.

 

[otaku1]

Just have your kids man, dont let bullshit economic hypothesis stand in the way of your key biological reason for being here.

Ive raised two on what was a single income family and now a single income supporting two households, kids have been overseas 8 times, want for nothing, good schools, both tallest in their grade (I know "for now" but just saying they cant be malnutritioned).

See bro
You can do so much more than shitposting

Kidding carry on

 

[Disciplined Galt]

See bro
You can do so much more than shitposting

Kidding carry on

It's easy these days.

 

[sparkuri]

Yes.

The "Melting Pot vs Mosaic" concept is a myth that was created by PET to get immigrant votes (as was pointed out by @otaku1 ) Neither concept has anything to do with abandoning your culture or history. One suggests that you put your new home ahead of your old one, the other says your new home should play second fiddle. The concepts aren't nearly as different as Canadians have falsely been taught to believe. Contrary to popular belief by people who don't live in America, there's room for everyone there just as there is here, or anywhere else in the world. But don't just take my word for it. Listen to the wise words of WWE superstar, 16 time champion, and future WWE Hall of Famer John Cena as he speaks about America and patriotism:

Love has no labels.








Except the 14 the video just propagated.

 

[Wintermute]

I read an article about 10 years ago that predicted this downturn in Western birth rates. It predicted that births would fall below replacement level by 2050, I think. Overpopulation was the never the problem. Under-population is in the sense that there won't be enough of an earning population to support the older population.

I'm sure the Mexicans will take care of us in our old age.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Love has no labels.








Except the 14 the video just propagated.

If you've got beef with the message you're welcome to not have John Cena Day off tomorrow.