General From a purely political strategy standpoint, how does the Democratic Party win elections?

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Leigh

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Facts hurt now? lol.
Using someone's race and gender in an argument is going to be offensive. If the goal is to get democratically elected, it's probably not a good idea to alienate a huge portion of the voter base.
 

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Using someone's race and gender in an argument is going to be offensive. If the goal is to get democratically elected, it's probably not a good idea to alienate a huge portion of the voter base.
I actually agree with that.

My point which I didn't expand on, is I found it funny that the same people who described this guy:

as pejoratively "the black guy", "the black candidate", "the black president" etc... would hypocritically take issue with the tables being turned... when that's all they ever described him as.
 
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I actually agree with that.

My point which I didn't expand on, is I found it funny that the same people who described this guy:

as pejoratively "the black guy", "the black candidate", "the black president" etc... would hypocritically take issue with the tables being turned... when that's all they ever described him as.
That's not true. They also described him as a foreign-born Muslim.
 

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They are stupid soft retard pussies. When they get elected it means the world has failed
 

Yossarian

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People didn't want to vote for Hillary. If they had a more likeable candidate, they would have won.

Additional ideas:
* Obamacare is a cluster fuck. I like the socialised healthcare we have here but it's completely different.
* Give up on the gun control thing. The evidence is against them and it's constitutionally protected.
* Drop the SJW bollocks. There are anti discrimination policies in place, leave it at that.

So those are things to stop doing, cos they piss people off and don't offer much. What they SHOULD be campaigning on is:
* Keeping minimum wage in line with the rest of the western world. Not this $15/hr nonsense but raising it sensibly.
* Highlighting that illegal immigration has been reducing and they will continue to reduce it.
* Regulating universities to keep their fees reasonable so that more people from working class backgrounds can afford higher education.
* Regulating the broken health insurance system so that you (or your employer) aren't paying a third of your salary in premiums.
* Reducing the insane level of military spending to invest back into the people. More money for schools, emergency services and possibly subsidising your healthcare system. This would be a tough sell, so it would have to be marketed properly.
Never thought I'd say this, but good post.
 

Yossarian

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I actually agree with that.

My point which I didn't expand on, is I found it funny that the same people who described this guy:

as pejoratively "the black guy", "the black candidate", "the black president" etc... would hypocritically take issue with the tables being turned... when that's all they ever described him as.
Also good point.
 

Mix6APlix

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People didn't want to vote for Hillary. If they had a more likeable candidate, they would have won.

Additional ideas:
* Obamacare is a cluster fuck. I like the socialised healthcare we have here but it's completely different.
* Give up on the gun control thing. The evidence is against them and it's constitutionally protected.
* Drop the SJW bollocks. There are anti discrimination policies in place, leave it at that.

So those are things to stop doing, cos they piss people off and don't offer much. What they SHOULD be campaigning on is:
* Keeping minimum wage in line with the rest of the western world. Not this $15/hr nonsense but raising it sensibly.
* Highlighting that illegal immigration has been reducing and they will continue to reduce it.
* Regulating universities to keep their fees reasonable so that more people from working class backgrounds can afford higher education.
* Regulating the broken health insurance system so that you (or your employer) aren't paying a third of your salary in premiums.
* Reducing the insane level of military spending to invest back into the people. More money for schools, emergency services and possibly subsidising your healthcare system. This would be a tough sell, so it would have to be marketed properly.
I agree here. If we need a reason to keep military spending at its current level, we need to use our inventory. Best places would be any middle eastern country, china, north Korea (hopefully the last two would be simultaneous strikes) and places with names ending in 'stan'.
 

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Do you think that universal healthcare will be enough of an issue on its own to pull the Democrats into a leading position?

Or put this another way, if Obamacare was never run through, do you think things could have got bad enough during the economic downturn to see acceptance of a single-payer system?
I don't think universal healthcare will carry dems through. It was more the butt ramming part that was instructive.
 

kneeblock

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In my view, the Dems should simply stay the course with their current platform, but focus on more grass roots approaches to campaigning on their agenda. I don't think parties should adjust their planks to win over more people. I just think we need more parties that represent the interests and ideologies of the diverse groupings of people.

GOP basically campaigned on being the party of no 8 years and it backfired for the existing leadership. Trump (ironically) represents a revolution in that party as the apotheosis of establishment rejection. Dems can't use the same strategy because doing so would admit the administration was credible. To win, Dems need to get to work in communities trying to lead initiatives that are part of their platform and then show voters how Repubs are preventing them from getting off the ground. Take politics out of abstraction and into policies that effect daily life.
 

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Throw a Democrat logo on this bad boy. Print out 1000's as fliers. Hang em everywhere. Watch the votes roll in.

 

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Also good point.
Sort of.

Pejorative is to be derogatory so it all depends on the context. The meme posted that he's referring to is most certainly meant to be a slight. If somebody refered to Obama as "the first black president" that's not necessarily an insult.
 

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Their time has come and gone. People have grown sick and tired of the toxic far left (and entities like CNN) that supports the Democratic Party. Think it's going to be a while before they win back the Presidency. Trump will be re-elected in 2020 and Trey Gowdy will win it in 2024, if he chooses to run.
 

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People didn't want to vote for Hillary. If they had a more likeable candidate, they would have won.

Additional ideas:
* Obamacare is a cluster fuck. I like the socialised healthcare we have here but it's completely different.
* Give up on the gun control thing. The evidence is against them and it's constitutionally protected.
* Drop the SJW bollocks. There are anti discrimination policies in place, leave it at that.

So those are things to stop doing, cos they piss people off and don't offer much. What they SHOULD be campaigning on is:
* Keeping minimum wage in line with the rest of the western world. Not this $15/hr nonsense but raising it sensibly.
* Highlighting that illegal immigration has been reducing and they will continue to reduce it.
* Regulating universities to keep their fees reasonable so that more people from working class backgrounds can afford higher education.
* Regulating the broken health insurance system so that you (or your employer) aren't paying a third of your salary in premiums.
* Reducing the insane level of military spending to invest back into the people. More money for schools, emergency services and possibly subsidising your healthcare system. This would be a tough sell, so it would have to be marketed properly.
Great post. Agreed on all points. But the DNC drama still hasn't entirely unfolded. Investigation into Loretta Lynch's actions leading up to the election (direct influence of Comey's verbiage, infamous tarmac meeting) just got started. There's still a chance Dems go the way of the history books if someone with big enough balls can take advantage of the vacuum they've left.

Internet Party 2024.

 

Leigh

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In my view, the Dems should simply stay the course with their current platform, but focus on more grass roots approaches to campaigning on their agenda. I don't think parties should adjust their planks to win over more people. I just think we need more parties that represent the interests and ideologies of the diverse groupings of people.
I disagree. If you have parties representing different groups, the one that gets in will be good for them but probably not for everyone else.

I would much rather have a government that works in the best interests of everyone.

Also, staying the course on a platform that couldn't even beat Trump seems pretty foolhardy to me. I only held back a drunk rating out of politeness.
 
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In my view, the Dems should simply stay the course with their current platform, but focus on more grass roots approaches to campaigning on their agenda. I don't think parties should adjust their planks to win over more people. I just think we need more parties that represent the interests and ideologies of the diverse groupings of people.

GOP basically campaigned on being the party of no 8 years and it backfired for the existing leadership. Trump (ironically) represents a revolution in that party as the apotheosis of establishment rejection. Dems can't use the same strategy because doing so would admit the administration was credible. To win, Dems need to get to work in communities trying to lead initiatives that are part of their platform and then show voters how Repubs are preventing them from getting off the ground. Take politics out of abstraction and into policies that effect daily life.

What do you make of the decline in Democrat identity during Obama's two terms?

Do you think staying the course will regain people wanting to be affiliated with the party, or will it simply be enough to grab independents because the GOP is self-destructing?
 

kneeblock

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I disagree. If you have parties representing different groups, the one that gets in will be good for them but probably not for everyone else.

I would much rather have a government that works in the best interests of everyone.

Also, staying the course on a platform that couldn't even beat Trump seems pretty foolhardy to me. I only held back a drunk rating out of politeness.
The trouble with this past election is it wasn't contested over policy at all. When you look at the analytics, news media articles about personality vs policy were done at a ratio of 3:1. Trump held a masterclass on making the election mostly about perceptions rather than reality. I think there's little to learn from this election from a policy standpoint. As the administration has tried to craft actual policies and follow their agenda, they've pretty much been stymied at every turn by popular sentiment or actual law (e.g. healthcare repeal, travel ban). We find few knew what ACA was or how it worked (a failure of the Dems), few know what happened during the Obama administration, few have any idea what Trump's plans are for the state besides "elites bad, me elite, but good one."

There are so many post-mortems on this election and they're mostly wrong. People hated Hillary because she was a woman and a Clinton so the main lesson is don't run Chelsea next time.

Your government has multiple parties and they form coalitions to govern. I would much rather see something like that here. Our two party winner take all system isn't the appropriate instrument for this moment in history, in my view. I'd like the neoliberal Dems and the socialist Dems to split just like I'd like the neocons, libertarians and values voters on the right to split. If not at the national level, at least regionally. This presidency is probably going to push things in that direction. The GOP coalition is very weak right now because they have to constantly distance themselves from each other. Dems are more unified than they've been at least since 2006, but that's only because of the Trump lightning rod.