Simple answer?
They don't
They don't
General From a purely political strategy standpoint, how does the Democratic Party win elections?
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Read the study. 3 problems if DNC let's say, were to listen:Third Way study warns Democrats: Avoid far-left populism
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They suggest ditching the Bernie wing.
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They suggest ditching social issues as a priority piece.
Thoughts?
1) Not much evidence presented from an actual policy standpoint dems are anti-business or pro social issues in any way distinct from GOP. Study focuses on perceptions so does that mean respondents want increase of jobs messaging? Decrease of social issue mentions, eg don't bring it up? Don't attend events? More meetings with corps than activists?
2) Pivoting to middle class jobs has long term consequences. Compelling evidence for increased impending structural unemployment, at odds with regulatory agenda, etc.
3) Study poorly parses or flat out misstates sources it quotes from, sometimes cherry picking quotes rather than findings. Indicates a conclusion in search of justification rather than info derived from research.
It's a interesting idea and unsurprising given the source. Will likely be cited around media at least a little despite its flaws.
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LOL at the notion that Dems have been insufficiently centrist or pro-business. Big business fucking loves the Clintons, the Obamas, and all of their cronies, and generously rewards them for their centrism. The Clintons in particular both have taken stands against black social justice movements, and Obama was hardly a crusader. His big "social justice" moves were pro-LGBT, and not all that controversial in hindsight. His big social program was intended as a giveaway to Big Insurance and Big Pharma. They are even more in bed with the financial sector, and all favor foreign wars that keep tax dollars flowing to the Military-Industrial complex. If you described them 40 years ago, any reasonable listener would think that you were describing a Republican.
They'll need to abandon identity politics at all costs and appeal to white working class voters. You'll still retain most of your previous minority base but at least you won't alienate most of the majority white population. I don't think they can pull it off.
Seeing as how the republicans lack any ability to govern do they need to win elections? Trump is talking about working with democrats on tax reform and infrastructure among other things. It appears he has given up on waiting for the republicans to accomplish anything on their own.
48 unified democrats seem stronger than 52 disjointed republicans at this point in time. The House is the same. Republicans really fucked up on healthcare and trump has no patience for their internal bickering anymore.
It seems dems strategy to regain the house or senate is to let the American people see how useless republicans are at governing and getting shit done. The more time goes on the more apparent it becomes that the republicans stances on issues during obama's term was more grandstanding than desired action.
48 unified democrats seem stronger than 52 disjointed republicans at this point in time. The House is the same. Republicans really fucked up on healthcare and trump has no patience for their internal bickering anymore.
It seems dems strategy to regain the house or senate is to let the American people see how useless republicans are at governing and getting shit done. The more time goes on the more apparent it becomes that the republicans stances on issues during obama's term was more grandstanding than desired action.
The Republicans are divided between the neo-cons and the "alt-right." The former loves war, the latter loves white identitarianism and both dislike the other for it. I expect to see a power shift from the former to the latter over time, even after Trump. Immigration and race are becoming a bigger issue as demographic and cultural shifts happen in the U.S.
The R party really needs to just split up into Conservatives and NeoNazis imo.
Republicans wanted healthcare as well. They will never get rid of such a money grab. The challenge is pretending that they want it gone so they please their voters.
Agreed.
The republicans now own Ryancare/Trumpcare, and they will feel it midterm elections. But then again, if the left continues to drift off center, and plays the identity politics, they may screw that up again.
We need a third party, or four, or five. Parties that matter.
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If the Democratic Party weren’t so terminally bumfuzzled, and if many of its activists could get over the wounds their delicate fee-fees suffered during the 2016 presidential primaries, the party could see a great advantage in coordinating efforts between the formal party apparatus and what could be described as the progressive shock troops that carried Woodfin to victory in Birmingham.
Democrats Must Embrace Progressive Candidates to Win in Trump's America
In support of a shift to the left.
Democrats Must Embrace Progressive Candidates to Win in Trump's America
In support of a shift to the left.
Apparently the answer to the thread title question is have Trump back the opposing candidate (and then slam him for losing lol).
Trump Slams Republican Ed Gillespie Following Democratic Win In Virginia Governor's Race
And it ain't even 2018 yet ... it begins.
Trump Slams Republican Ed Gillespie Following Democratic Win In Virginia Governor's Race
And it ain't even 2018 yet ... it begins.
Oooh!
Vast majority of voters in Virginia and New Jersey said they cast their ballots ‘to show opposition to Trump’
I think it's time for another thread title change........
I thought New Jersey and Virginia voted for Hillary anyways? Is that considered a victory? Other than that I would consider it normal for the opposition party to gain grounds on the state level as a counter reaction. Consider under Obama's reign he lost over a 1000 seats throughout the nation. But good for balance I'd guess. We cannot have a one party nation, even though in many aspects we already do...
New jersey's outgoing 'Guvna is Trump fluffer Christie - couldn't get a successor.
Virginia's candidate was heavily backed byTrump - and then severely bashed by Trump for losing.
Trumpism is burning the dicks in the toaster, now people realize it doesn't feel good after all.
Agreed. But the exact same thing happened when Obama was in office, and I'd say far worse. The Democrats are still dealing with the damage as we speak. People seem to counter rally on a state level when the opposite party holds the White House. I think they should be cautious in their celebration and not become overconfident. It's what got them last year to begin with.
That said, fuck that Christie fat-ass motherfucker.
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I Thought It Would Be Easier - This American Life
This American Life tackled this question last week.
It's a pretty good episode with some input from both sides though the host obviously partial towards moving to a far-left platform in an attempt to differentiate the party from the current Republicans.
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You guys might find this podcast interesting
This American Life tackled this question last week.
It's a pretty good episode with some input from both sides though the host obviously partial towards moving to a far-left platform in an attempt to differentiate the party from the current Republicans.
@Kneeblock
@Belobog
@KWingJitsu You guys might find this podcast interesting
I think the main lesson from the 2016 election was that liberals thought after 8 years of Barry O, they were living in a progressive America.
They found out they weren't at all.
And Trump convinced enough people that it was somehow better "before" and we should go back to that.
They found out they weren't at all.
And Trump convinced enough people that it was somehow better "before" and we should go back to that.
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That Kennedy kid is the future
Dems are angry over Hillary Clinton’s latest comments
First step: Hillary needs to STFU and stop rubbing her failure stench on the party. She's still alienating the voter base for her own selfish reasons.
First step: Hillary needs to STFU and stop rubbing her failure stench on the party. She's still alienating the voter base for her own selfish reasons.
Can't wait for it.
Looks like Trump being Trump and the Republicans following along might be enough.
Strong Performance by Democrat Conor Lamb in Pennsylvania Shakes Trump and G.O.P.
Pennsylvania election results: Live updates - CNNPolitics
Strong Performance by Democrat Conor Lamb in Pennsylvania Shakes Trump and G.O.P.
Pennsylvania election results: Live updates - CNNPolitics
Yup. Or put another way.... let Trump campaign for the other guy. LOL!
Democrats Projected To Win Pennsylvania District That Went Heavily For Trump
Recognizing that a loss for Saccone would reflect poorly on his political coattails, Trump held a packed rally for the Republican candidate at the Pittsburgh airport on Saturday night. In a speech that focused mostly on his own policy priorities, Trump made the case that he needed Saccone to enact his agenda.
“I need people who can help me and this guy can really help me,” he said.
But not enough Trump voters saw a vote for Lamb as a betrayal of Trump. Lamb’s lead grew in the final days after enthusiasm for Saccone dropped, according to a Republican official familiar with the polling data.
“I need people who can help me and this guy can really help me,” he said.
But not enough Trump voters saw a vote for Lamb as a betrayal of Trump. Lamb’s lead grew in the final days after enthusiasm for Saccone dropped, according to a Republican official familiar with the polling data.