General Terror attack at Mandalay Bay

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b00ts

pews&vrooms
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I hear ya for sure, hate was the wrong word to use...only theory I have right now is no proper evidence has been released.(some has been suppressed though, phones wiped, footage withheld )

Sadly, I think none will be.

Nobody has discussed as fact IMO
I mentioned that... if the right people are involved for whatever reason and how ever they helped, you will never know what actually happened.
 

b00ts

pews&vrooms
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I’m not trying to come across as a dick or Iike I believe he acted alone. I just think people are getting too deep into conspiracy land and aren’t logically thinking about some of the things they’re reposting from social media.
 

Rambo John J

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Because, having been in a similar situation a couple times, I know what you see and hear isn’t necessarily what is going down in real time. Being able to sit back with about $2k worth of audio in my computer and listen to the incoming shots from the concert floor, I can comfortably say that it’s coming from one location. Knowing what little we know about Stephen, he was not some trained assassin that could perfectly synchronize shots with another shooter to mask them. It will take more than some YouTube “experts” and strobe lights to convince me otherwise. I’m not going too personal on here, but I was employed for a time with a security company that operated in Iraq after my discharge from the Army and also law enforcement until 2011, so I have enough experience to be comfortable in my assessment. A hunter that was at the concert and a guy that goes to a shooting range can’t change my mind. Undeniable proof can and I’m not seeing that.
fair enough...but, if you think video alone can conduct that entire investigation then I will agree to disagree...forensics and testimony from the scene does have some value...you are stating that you would know what was going on in that spot....yet, that no others on scene could...I don't buy that.

your post answers only one of the questions that could easily be righted by a pubic release of evidence about this "clear cut event".


Like I said... the only theory I have right now is no proper evidence has been released.(some has been suppressed though, phones wiped, footage withheld )
 

Shinkicker

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I’m not trying to come across as a dick or Iike I believe he acted alone. I just think people are getting too deep into conspiracy land and aren’t logically thinking about some of the things they’re reposting from social media.
While we appreciate your credentials, don't get pissed if we don't take your word as gospel.

We don't know who to trust here. I mean, damn, it's the Internet. You could be a catfish or something.
 

b00ts

pews&vrooms
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While we appreciate your credentials, don't get pissed if we don't take your word as gospel.

We don't know who to trust here. I mean, damn, it's the Internet. You could be a catfish or something.
I prefer to be labeled as a rainbow trout
 

lueVelvet

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I hope that they actually get involved in investigating this because it stinks to high heaven.
I’ll be honest here, outside of the details (timelines etc) I don’t think they’ll find a reason as to why he did this. He was simply someone with money and no past issues to pass background checks and went ahead with an extremely shitty and stupid plan. Anyone with money who can pay for the hotel and weapons could pull this off. He was good at being private so no one figured anything out. All of that fits right into how we knew this guy. The only thing weird about any of this is that he actually did it. I think they’re too scared that some of the details will make one side look bad or the other side look incompetent etc but at the end of the day, it had nothing to do with the casino, guards, LVMPD etc, rather, one guy who decided to do something and had the resources to do it. I honestly don’t think this will be the last we see of this type of situation.

I get why people are upset though. The timeline changes, hiding certain things etc but we also have to remember it’s an active investigation and they never release the whole picture while it’s still active, if ever. They also probably don’t want people to realize how easy it really was for him to pull this off.
 

Rambo John J

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one brother was arrested for child porn....tmz reported it...not the one with the eccentric/dramatic interview...but one that was staying at an assisted living facility

they claim he was under investigation before the vegas shooting, but could not be located


plot just gets thicker IMO
 
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Accused shooter's brother on child porn is super interesting... coincidence? related?


Also, for those who have spent time watching video footage etc I have a question for you;

There is a hashtag on Twitter: #WheresTheBlood? These folks saying that there is no actual evidence of blood? Suggesting no one actually got shot just noises and panic, victims are fake identities, etc

Is this true about no public evidence of actual victims? I thought there was lots of video footage, that's why I avoided this one. But this hashtag is saying there is none to be found

thx
 

IschKabibble

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Also, for those who have spent time watching video footage etc I have a question for you;

There is a hashtag on Twitter: #WheresTheBlood? These folks saying that there is no actual evidence of blood? Suggesting no one actually got shot just noises and panic, victims are fake identities, etc

Is this true about no public evidence of actual victims? I thought there was lots of video footage, that's why I avoided this one. But this hashtag is saying there is none to be found

thx
There is no question many people were shot and killed that night.
 
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^ for yourself this is certain?

Like I said I have not dug into this case, haven't examined the video footage. But for sure you have seen enough to make this clear?

What is this hashtag trend about then, are they just ignoring shit?
 

MMAHAWK

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^ for yourself this is certain?

Like I said I have not dug into this case, haven't examined the video footage. But for sure you have seen enough to make this clear?

What is this hashtag trend about then, are they just ignoring shit?
I'd say my sisters friend with a bullet through her head is all the evidence I need to see.
 

MMAHAWK

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^ thank you.

condolences
Yeah I've said before that this one hit close to home. The girl Tina survived surgery and is a fighter #tinastrong





At this point I pretty convinced this was someone who snapped and took out years of hidden anger or hatred on the world. I doubt we'll ever know anything beyond that.However police and FBI have been so bad with their investigation that they need to answer questions and we need to continue to talk about this till they do.
 

Rambo John J

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I wasnt trying to get on his case. If it sounded like that I apologize.
No you just were asking

I just think that if he is just hearing about this(whether trumped up charges or not) he has many more questions than answers.

I would think it unwise and even dangerous to comment on this case, if I was related to either man.


there is much suppression of evidence and testimony surrounding this event IMO


I just think he may want to lay low and not comment on this and all the other parts of this sad event....can't be easy being connected to an event you had zero to do with.
 

lueVelvet

WHERT DA FERCK?
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No you just were asking

I just think that if he is just hearing about this(whether trumped up charges or not) he has many more questions than answers.

I would think it unwise and even dangerous to comment on this case, if I was related to either man.


there is much suppression of evidence and testimony surrounding this event IMO


I just think he may want to lay low and not comment on this and all the other parts of this sad event....can't be easy being connected to an event you had zero to do with.
Thanks for being kind and looking out for us. Seriously you guys and gals(?) here have been awesome through this whole thing.

Unfortunately the only input we can give is whether or not certain elements make sense in the context of how we knew these folks. I don’t mind being honest because there isn’t anything out there that we or you don’t already know with exception to our perspective on this stuff. I like to give my perspective when I can and when it doesn’t put us in any more lime light. So far this place has been ok, though I’m sure one day it will come up on someone’s google searches!
 

HEATH VON DOOM

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No you just were asking

I just think that if he is just hearing about this(whether trumped up charges or not) he has many more questions than answers.

I would think it unwise and even dangerous to comment on this case, if I was related to either man.


there is much suppression of evidence and testimony surrounding this event IMO


I just think he may want to lay low and not comment on this and all the other parts of this sad event....can't be easy being connected to an event you had zero to do with.
My thinking was more in line with what Masato Toys @Masato Toys posted but after rereading it could have come off as harsh or accusing.

Thanks lueVelvet @lueVelvet for being a trooper through this ordeal. Hope your life is getting somewhat back to normal.