General 15 People Are "Down" After Gunman Opens Fire In Texas Church

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BeardOfKnowledge

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The Air Force is admitting an error that they didn't report this guy's crimes to the public. He was court-martialed in 2012 for domestic violence and eventually dishonorably discharged from the Air Force. However, his name was never entered into the National Criminal Information Center database which should have kept him from being able to purchase weapons.

But if we are being honest with ourselves, if a guy wants to get his hands on a gun it's pretty easy to do so. The bigger problem here is a branch of our military decided to wipe their hands of this dude.

He beat his wife repeatedly
Pointed a loaded gun at his wife
He cracked his stepson's skull - a toddler. Admitted to doing it on purpose.

The Air Force stripped him of rank and sentenced him to "confinement" for 12 months. After those 12 months, they kicked his ass out - basically releasing him to society.

Shortly after that he was charged with rape. Charges dismissed.
Then he was charged with animal cruelty - he was beating his puppy in the head.

The media is focusing on the firearm database failure, but it certainly looks to me like the writing was on the wall that this dude wasn't right in the head.
This is a big issue with "military courts" they pretend they're real courts but operate autonomously of the rest of society. The guy who gunned him down should never have to pay for another drink for the rest of his life.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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No but the ones dealing with the rape charge and animal cruelty charge certainly are.
Even a piece if shit is entitled to due process. A dropped rape charge and animal cruelty aren't enough to lock someone up. Combined with the air force stuff, maybe, but them not doing their job isn't the justice systems fault.
 

Yossarian

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The Air Force is admitting an error that they didn't report this guy's crimes to the public. He was court-martialed in 2012 for domestic violence and eventually dishonorably discharged from the Air Force. However, his name was never entered into the National Criminal Information Center database which should have kept him from being able to purchase weapons.

But if we are being honest with ourselves, if a guy wants to get his hands on a gun it's pretty easy to do so. The bigger problem here is a branch of our military decided to wipe their hands of this dude.

He beat his wife repeatedly
Pointed a loaded gun at his wife
He cracked his stepson's skull - a toddler. Admitted to doing it on purpose.

The Air Force stripped him of rank and sentenced him to "confinement" for 12 months. After those 12 months, they kicked his ass out - basically releasing him to society.

Shortly after that he was charged with rape. Charges dismissed.
Then he was charged with animal cruelty - he was beating his puppy in the head.

The media is focusing on the firearm database failure, but it certainly looks to me like the writing was on the wall that this dude wasn't right in the head.
If this guy wasn't allowed to have a gun due to his past, then the gun control discussion is moot. Everybody agrees that this guy should not have the gun he had, so where's the problem?

It merely shows that gun control is not going to save us due to errors made in the system or, a guy or gal with bad intent, is going to bypass these regulations. Just gun control is going to do exactly what we've seen here in Texas. And more gun control is going to equate to more of this. Due to the political nature of the subject, we always fail to recognize mental health state in America which is in a horrendous shape. But then, NRA supporters should at least rally around the idea of a medical record check in addition of a criminal record check before the purchase of a gun. It's a small price to pay. You get to keep your gun, and nutcases are more easily identified to get at least more effective gun control which is ion the interest of the gun owner as well as the gunophobe.

But the most important step in the direction of mental health issues.

Before we politicize these tragedies, look at the whole picture. Guns are a factor, but let's not ignore the rest.
 

Hauler

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If this guy wasn't allowed to have a gun due to his past, then the gun control discussion is moot. Everybody agrees that this guy should not have the gun he had, so where's the problem?

It merely shows that gun control is not going to save us due to errors made in the system or, a guy or gal with bad intent, is going to bypass these regulations. Just gun control is going to do exactly what we've seen here in Texas. And more gun control is going to equate to more of this. Due to the political nature of the subject, we always fail to recognize mental health state in America which is in a horrendous shape. But then, NRA supporters should at least rally around the idea of a medical record check in addition of a criminal record check before the purchase of a gun. It's a small price to pay. You get to keep your gun, and nutcases are more easily identified to get at least more effective gun control which is ion the interest of the gun owner as well as the gunophobe.

But the most important step in the direction of mental health issues.

Before we politicize these tragedies, look at the whole picture. Guns are a factor, but let's not ignore the rest.
That's basically my point. One of our military institutions had a guy they identified as "off". Instead of getting him help with his mental issues, they just kicked him out and left society to deal with him.

I'm sure it happens all the time.
 

Yossarian

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That's basically my point. One of our military institutions had a guy they identified as "off". Instead of getting him help with his mental issues, they just kicked him out and left society to deal with him.

I'm sure it happens all the time.
And in addition to that, when we do, we give them unstable prescription drugs, that leaves people psychotic. Real extensive treatment, other forms of therapy, are seldom the first consideration while they should be. It's how we treat our kids, and they will be adults someday with the problems still existing.
 

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He added that based on what he knew he did not believe the incident was related to terrorism, but "was some kind of other incident that has to do with the church or the community."
This sentence rubs me the wrong way.
 

mysticmac

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Do you find it odd that most efforts to arm "rebels" as a means of overthrowing governments have ended in abysmal failure? Syria, Iraq, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Cuba, the list goes on.
Excellent job avoiding the question. I don't think anyone picked up on it. Your secret is safe with me!
 

Filthy

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that's what I was going to say, more likely we'd have a military coup than 70% of ppl in the armed forces kicking doors down to take away law abiding citizens' guns
"I, Young Filthy, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

there's no expiration date on my oath.
 

Yossarian

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And now the FBI wants in his phone but it is locked. Another attempt to open that discussion again, its privacy at the cost of safety, or safety at the cost of privacy. I say keep those phones locked. Enough in the name of safety.
 

Filthy

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And now the FBI wants in his phone but it is locked. Another attempt to open that discussion again, its privacy at the cost of safety, or safety at the cost of privacy. I say keep those phones locked. Enough in the name of safety.
the phone can be unlocked without building back doors or systemically compromising personal privacy.

 

Yossarian

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the phone can be unlocked without building back doors or systemically compromising personal privacy.



I think it is about legislation anyways, and not just this phone, that they want access out in the open with our blessings, and from a legal standpoint. In trade of for our security of course.

Freedom is not accurately valued anymore. We exchange it easily for a sense of security, a sense, not security itself.
 

Yossarian

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Of 23 high-income countries, 91% of children killed by firearms in 2010 were from the US, according to a study published in The American Journal of Medicine last year.

Nothing to look at here.
That would be obvious if you have a country that has active gun ownership. Let's say we stop driving cars, then we can't have car accidents anymore. We trade things off with our (and our childrens) lives. We choose to have alcohol around, drugs, fast food, all that things that claim vastly more lives than guns. But we keep them around and make that trade off. So in the US they choose to have guns.
 

Filthy

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That would be obvious if you have a country that has active gun ownership. Let's say we stop driving cars, then we can't have car accidents anymore. We trade things off with our (and our childrens) lives. We choose to have alcohol around, drugs, fast food, all that things that claim vastly more lives than guns. But we keep them around and make that trade off. So in the US they choose to have guns.
also, the definition of 'children' is highly fungible. 17 yo that's been in and out of jail for 5 years gets dropped in a drug-deal-gone-wrong...

"Think of the children!"

edit - this study a 'child' is 14 and under. But context of the violence is what matters, not the age of the deceased.