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John Lee Pettimore

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I don't know, it's tough to tell. Everything's situational. I mean I've yelled at a lot of callers, and hung up on hundreds more. Mention the names Gates or Soros, and a 5 second countdown begins. :smile:

But if I yell, its almost inevitably very briefly and it'll be something along the lines of "Caller! LISTEN to ME!" and then a calm, firm, authorative voice to follow that outburst. But that's more a shock tactic to snap them back on track if they start to become hysterical or whatever. So yelling at somebody, that's not necessarily a big deal in and of itself.

Never, ever, EVER yell at somebody who is whispering into the phone, though. For fucks sakes. You drop and lower and slow your voice, and speak right into the microphone.

And a mass shooting....... that's troubling, if she couldn't grasp the situation quickly. Gunshots in the background are very, very loud and very distinct, and an active shooter....... that's a type of call that is all on its own. If this guy was yelling in between shots, that should have been clear as well.

When shit is for real for real, it sounds different. You can just hear it in people's voices, when somebody has just suddenly died right in front of them. Or when they are very suddenly in genuine and legitimate fear for their own lives.

Having said that, at the same time there's a lot of stuff that it's tough to tell if it's an emergency situation, or nothing. Is this guy on the end of the line snoring and rolled over onto his phone and hit the emergency call button on the lock screen, or is he alone in a house choking to death on a midnight snack? Is that someone screaming outside in the middle distance, or is it just a pocket dial on a windy night with a shitty connection? Is this a brutal domestic assault, or rough sex from two drunk freaks who call the emergency line because they get off on having someone overhear them? (Yes, that happens, and shockingly often as well. Multiple repeat callers for that one.)

Tough to tell on this Buffalo call without listening to the recording. Doesn't look good from what I read, though. Yelling at a caller who is whispering into the phone - that sets off all kinds of red flags by itself. You just gotta assume, always, that they are whispering because they are hiding from someone or something that will hurt or kill them if they hear them.

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John Lee Pettimore

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Jesus, that right there is a new JLP blowout word count record post for sure.

Oh well, there's no bitchy whining in there, at least. :smile:

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John Lee Pettimore

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It's really odd to watch people be like "This happened because of the internet!" But then also mock people for saying "It was video games!" or the classic "It was rap music!".


Well, let's ask the shooter why exactly he did it. Fortunately, he went to great lengths to detail exactly what led him to commit this crime, because he's proud of it.

“My current beliefs started when I first started to use 4chan a few months after covid started,”

"“Every time I think maybe I shouldn’t commit to an attack I spend 5 min [on] /pol/, then my motivation returns."

And there's lots of quotes like that. Over and over and over. Pages and pages of them, complete with links. Just the same as Tarrant, Crusius, Breivik, all of them. Written documents soaked in right wrong Internet slang. He can't wait to tell the world about how he got radicalised by these right-wing lying memes and garbage blogs.

But oh, Tucker pathetically whined "what about violent video games?" like it's fucking 1995, based on absolutely nothing except a pathetically transparent attempt to deflect from his own repeated promotion of the Great Replacement shit that has directly inspired at least 4 massacres with a total body count of well over 150. So let's desperately pretend like maybe there's something to that (other than lies), because why wouldn't we shill for these lying cunts at all times?



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Shinkicker

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“We are appalled that a 2013 article by John Gaski, an associated professor at Notre Dame, was cited by the perpetrator of the heinous murders of innocent people in Buffalo,” vice president of public affairs and communications Joel Curran said in the University’s statement. “Whatever Professor Gaski’s intentions, we deeply regret that his words were used to support a doctrine of racial hatred.”
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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“We are appalled that a 2013 article by John Gaski, an associated professor at Notre Dame, was cited by the perpetrator of the heinous murders of innocent people in Buffalo,” vice president of public affairs and communications Joel Curran said in the University’s statement. “Whatever Professor Gaski’s intentions, we deeply regret that his words were used to support a doctrine of racial hatred.”
We need to cancel universities!!!
 

Speaker to Animals

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Did you guys know that Tipper Gore said listening to heavy metal would turn me into a Satan worshiping murderer pervert?

It completed the job video games had started
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Some people are not really into politics.

This thread isn't about politics anyway. It is about a shooting.
An explicitly politically motivated shooting.

Motivated by the Great Replacement theory.

Which is the name of the manifesto written by mosque shooter Brenton Tarrant, by the way.

Tucker Carlson has referenced or talked about the Great Replacement on more than 400 of his shows, for more than 50 hours talk time. Always about how this is the Dem's big plan to take over America by marginalising white people.

The Great Replacement has been directly cited by the killers as the motivation for mass shootings in written, before-the-fact manifestos by Brenton Tarrant, Payton Gendron, Anders Breivik, Dylann Roof, Patrick Crusius, and others. Over 150 corpses just from those 5 alone. Every one of them referenced it directly and cited it as the reason for their massacres.

But yeah - what about violent video games and rap music? Isn't anybody wondering why those things aren't being blamed for this epidemic of politically-driven mass murder, instead of what is explicitly identified over and over by the killers themselves as being the inspiration and motivation? Hurr hurr hurr.



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BeardOfKnowledge

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Some people are not really into politics.

This thread isn't about politics anyway. It is about a shooting.
I don't have any qualms with discussing politics when the other parties involved can be respectful about it.

You're right about this thread though. His manifesto is incoherent and completely inconsistent and people are being very selective to cast this asshole as being expressly politically motivated.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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I don't have any qualms with discussing politics when the other parties involved can be respectful about it.

You're right about this thread though. His manifesto is incoherent and completely inconsistent and people are being very selective to cast this asshole as being expressly politically motivated.
Political beliefs don't have to be internally consistent or coherent to be real, do they. In fact, effectively all political movements are not that, but that doesn't handwave all culpability from them. Nazism is internally inconsistent and incoherent..... so I guess now it's not at all to blame for anything that any Nazi ever did then? And it's not just this one kid last week who popped off with a rifle because of memes and shitposts, is it. It's an undeniable trend at this point, with each asshole explicitly paying homage to the others who went before. And all working from the same playbook, minds poisoned by the same websites. As they all go right out of their way to tell the world.

By denying this, you are not being respectful to the topic at hand. Your flippant little comment about rap music and violent video games was flat out moronic. What kind of honest discussion can be had, if that's your starting point and you are so dishonest and so biased that you can't even concede that yes, these assholes are in fact radicalised into violence by right-wing memes and shitposts from garbage blogs - exactly as all of them take great pains to tell you that they were? What kind of respectful discussion is there to be had, when that's where you start and you're going nowhere from there or offering anything more than that?

Maybe if I'd never stood in a room where 42 random people were murdered by one of these cunts because of proudly self-proclaimed radicalization by these garbage blogs, I'd be more inclined to give you a pass on this. But honestly, what you have offered is infantile at best, bordering on offensively stupid trolling at worst. It's not a stance that warrants respect - it's just reflexively deflecting from being honest enough to even so much as acknowledge that there is a very real and very significant problem with this type of vile poison in the right wing online dialogue, and that it is now regularly producing tragic real-life consequences.

Do better.

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mysticmac

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An explicitly politically motivated shooting.

Motivated by the Great Replacement theory.

Which is the name of the manifesto written by mosque shooter Brenton Tarrant, by the way.

Tucker Carlson has referenced or talked about the Great Replacement on more than 400 of his shows, for more than 50 hours talk time. Always about how this is the Dem's big plan to take over America by marginalising white people.

The Great Replacement has been directly cited by the killers as the motivation for mass shootings in written, before-the-fact manifestos by Brenton Tarrant, Payton Gendron, Anders Breivik, Dylann Roof, Patrick Crusius, and others. Over 150 corpses just from those 5 alone. Every one of them referenced it directly and cited it as the reason for their massacres.

But yeah - what about violent video games and rap music? Isn't anybody wondering why those things aren't being blamed for this epidemic of politically-driven mass murder, instead of what is explicitly identified over and over by the killers themselves as being the inspiration and motivation? Hurr hurr hurr.



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Actually, it was racially motivated.
 

Shinkicker

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From an analysis of the manifesto...

[1] Using a relevancy score scaled from 0-1 where higher scores correspond to greater relevance in the narrative, “Jews” and “gays” produced the highest scores, 0.997 and 0.477, respectively whereas “black man” and “black” scored of 0.17 and 0.159, respectively.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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From an analysis of the manifesto...

[1] Using a relevancy score scaled from 0-1 where higher scores correspond to greater relevance in the narrative, “Jews” and “gays” produced the highest scores, 0.997 and 0.477, respectively whereas “black man” and “black” scored of 0.17 and 0.159, respectively.
What do you mean by "Greater relevance"?
 

Shinkicker

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I’ve been reading up on the internet and radicalization. From an article I read, a paragraph from the opening and the closing paragraph:

Barbara F. Walter, a Rohr Professor of International Relations at UC San Diego, did extensive research on hundreds of civil wars over the past two centuries. I recently read her book, “How Civil Wars Start and How to Stop Them” published in 2022.

There is a delicate balance between First Amendment free speech rights and protecting the general welfare — the common good. Reining in social media is a bi-partisan issue that Congress can use to unite rather than divide the nation. It is within our power to end the threat of civil war if only we have the will to act.



Summary, the only way to stop a civil war is to control social media.


Disclaimer: I’m not saying I agree with this view. I just found it interesting.
 
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