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Matt Gaetz: 'Young adults' need AR-15 rights or they will be 'vulnerable' during 'midterm violence'
"Well, that violence is coming from their side and they're purposefully trying to disarm us by passing red flag laws and by assuring young adults cannot access various types of firearms because they want us to be in the most vulnerable position when they create these false flag acts of violence and then the counter-violence that could come against our people," he insisted.
"Well, that violence is coming from their side and they're purposefully trying to disarm us by passing red flag laws and by assuring young adults cannot access various types of firearms because they want us to be in the most vulnerable position when they create these false flag acts of violence and then the counter-violence that could come against our people," he insisted.
so how many straw purchases has the Canadian database of universal background checks identified?that's a hell of an over statement. ATF walked guns make up a pathetically small amount of firearms in mexico.
For the uninitiated@Filthy is referencing the ATF allowing guns to transit mexico in attempted sting operations. Some of these have gone all the way to cartels who then killed mexican police and others with them. The US has provided mexican army guns and they have deserted bringing their weapons along with them to their new cartel positions. This is all a small drop of the total guns in mexico. Not "a lot".
Mexican guns are largely American straw purchases, some stolen guns, and increasingly cheap chinese crap.
The 70%+ of mexicos illegal guns are from the US. Tracing those back to the straw purchase is almost impossible due to lack of universal background checking or any other type of database helping law enforcement.
Buy a gun, send it to Mexico. Without a sting operation selling that gun and targeting the suspect it is nearly impossible to prove.
Police can find that gun in Mexico and there's no tracking back to anything but manufacturer and gun dealer.
"Oh I sold that gun at a gun show" is all you have to say to cover a straw purchase.
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and that's a hell of an overstatement about how easy it is to hide straw purchases, LoL. You make it sound like the ATF never gets a straw purchase conviction without a confession or a sting operation.
And I point out the involvement of the ATF because it highlights the perverse unintended consequences of prohibition laws.
we can't stop grass and cocaine from finding criminal distribution, but we'll have success with firearms. OK.
that's not how due process and natural rights work in a limited government.
Move to China.
Grass and cocaine is a little easier to conceal and distribute, no?
What would it do to the cost of an illegal gun if they were harder to obtain?
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a machinist can turn any chunk of metal in to a firearm. How may steps are involved in creating cocaine?
"when guns are outlawed, only machinists will have guns"
and if you think gun parts, which are chemically identical to every other piece of steel in the world are harder to conceal than cocaine or weed...LoL
@Freeloading Rusty - you'll never price firearms out of the budget of criminals.
Really? You think every deadbeat 18 year old incel or wanna be gangbanger has an unlimited budget?
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Handgun prohibition in the UK has been so successful that criminal networks are reduced to renting them rather than owning them. Drugs on the other hand are rampant, though.
Drugs are rampant everywhere
This is how you say, um, "retarded".
You forgot about the stabbing.
is it more cost-effective to try and raise the black market price of firearms, or to address 14 yo mental health before they turn in to incels with jobs?
there's always enough money for what's important.
every incel who wants a gun can get one, and we're averaging 7 deaths a year from mass shootings at schools.
this is who will be enforcing whatever gun laws you dream up in a fit of DO SOMETHING.
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How the US gave guns to Mexican cartels
In September 2009, John Dodson, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, was assigned to the ATF’s Phoenix office. What he found there shocked him. The bureau was enco…
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