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In Florida we don't have open carry but you can keep your gun under the seat of your car without needing a CCWP because your car is considered your property in the same way as your home.
General 14 students, 1 teacher dead following mass school shooting in Texas
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They might be. But they shouldn't be.
I find it incredible that during a lot of the bad shoots by police, The threads are full of gun owners telling me that police don't do enough training and that results in these bad shoots.
And then there's pushback to the idea that the average Joe shouldn't be using their gun in public without requisite training to prevent bad behavior and bad shoots.
Well, the sticking point for the guys who get gun charges is usually a felon with prior convictions.
He didn't need the gun, was never going to fire it.
Now he's going back to prison for no good reason.
It's just sad.
It gets even better.....
And then you suggest more/better training as a requisite to own or purchase and all hell breaks loose!
You really don't see the difference between a police officer and a civilian carrying who has no obligation to use their firearm?
We shouldn't dismiss any solution that isn't the perfect solution is no solution
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If you read through my posts, I actually realize that we have a constitution and people should have access to some amount of guns unless that is changed. Even with no training. Even though I think that's stupid.. I just think that if you're going to be untrained and in public you shouldn't have access to all guns at all times.
All signs point to America's law enforcement apparatus being the biggest problem.
So they weren’t armed cops at schools in Canada?
I want to speak to your manager. Now!
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It's hard to hold the police fully accountable when there is essentially no system other than sting operations to block straw purchases. And no ability to track crime guns at a large level. And increasingly no ability to stop gun possession unless one already has a felony. Even those with violent misdemeanors can still open carry in public in Texas with no training.
And all of this is ignoring the debate around the omnipresence of guns forcing an escalation and police tactics.
Mass shootings, suicides, homicides As a result of firearms all have a lot of different primary inputs. But in all cases, we have hamstrung law enforcement in our country in their ability to enforce the law on firearms or really do anything until after the fact.
Almost all mass shootings seem to involve someone who was on law enforcements radar. The Buffalo one for example should have been denied sale through New York's red flag laws. In this school shooting the police didn't enter the building. But I suppose as long as they say "Oopsie daisies" that absolves them from blame.
It was strange watching the North Hollywood Shootout on tv, basically the event that catalyzed the militarization of police forces, and to look at the way things are now, when it's easy to criticize all cops as being ineffective idiots.
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Remember when Sandy Hook happened and then everybody called for no gun law changes but to invest in mental health... And then nothing happened.
Remember the debate around red flag laws in an attempt to remove guns from the weirdos like Adam lanza and the parkland shooter who pretty much everybody was concerned about ahead of time... But law enforcement has no ability to do anything.
Remember when Florida made it illegal for doctors to ask parents about guns of the home as a safety item, which is a normal routine part of a well child exam? You
If you're Texan you probably remember that the same budget that cut 210 million from our mental health services bringing us to the worst mental health care in the US occurred at the same legislative year when our governor signed Open carry with no training in Texas. Even going as far as tweeting and bragging about how you can now carry a gun and own a gun anywhere with no training or licensing.
All of the talk about mental health seems hollow in a distraction smokescreen by people that will never allow us to implement any intervention outside of general counseling.
Even safety advice to parents with children is considered a threat to the second amendment because the doctor might note that the parents have guns in their home and that a discussion occurred regarding safety.
Remember the debate around red flag laws in an attempt to remove guns from the weirdos like Adam lanza and the parkland shooter who pretty much everybody was concerned about ahead of time... But law enforcement has no ability to do anything.
Remember when Florida made it illegal for doctors to ask parents about guns of the home as a safety item, which is a normal routine part of a well child exam? You
If you're Texan you probably remember that the same budget that cut 210 million from our mental health services bringing us to the worst mental health care in the US occurred at the same legislative year when our governor signed Open carry with no training in Texas. Even going as far as tweeting and bragging about how you can now carry a gun and own a gun anywhere with no training or licensing.
All of the talk about mental health seems hollow in a distraction smokescreen by people that will never allow us to implement any intervention outside of general counseling.
Even safety advice to parents with children is considered a threat to the second amendment because the doctor might note that the parents have guns in their home and that a discussion occurred regarding safety.
I’d love to disarm you and beat you over the head with your own gun.
so i can keep and bear whatever arms I want on my own property, right? just like an automobile...can I get a T34?
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The easier I have the ability to enforce the law against you and track bad behavior. The more I'm happy to have people extend their second amendment rights off their property.
If you have the land to shoot something super high powered and not impact others, I don't actually care at all. But with any example you give, I will wonder what is the ability to circumvent the law without enforcement and if that happens, what is the threat to others before the law can be enforced after the fact.
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No, I mean no ability. I own several guns from gun shows and peer transfers. No background check. No record.
If I stole these guns from my buddy instead of handing him cash, there is no mechanism for the police officer that pulls me over to know that I'm holding a crime gun.
Someone with a stolen gun should be considered a violent threat until proven otherwise.
If I illegally buy a gun for someone else you cannot prove that after that fact without a sting operation or one of us involved ratting the other out. I can just claim it as a gift And there's nothing you can do about it. I could have just bought the gun and then later decided I didn't want it and sold it.
The ability to enforce the current laws on the majority of crime guns is damn near impossible. It only occurs in the commission of another crime out those that already have a felony.
so bulldozers should be tracked, because I can get a welder and make a tank out of one...right?
weekly bulldozer inspections?
how many crimes has Canada solved (or prevented) with their database?
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No idea. You said law enforcement has no incentive but could enforce the law. The clearly can't.
I've been a gun owner for decades. I've seen the claims on all of the websites after every shooting. We don't need new laws, we just need to enforce the ones we have. The ones we have can't be enforced. Even here showing how we would enforce it, You have a reason that we shouldn't do it.
None.
And the BATFE is quietly chuckling at your version of prosecuting straw purchases
It's a basic question of the principle.
If something can be used dangerously in public, LE needs to monitor it.
Explain how this fits under the 4th Amendment, or are you wiping your ass with that one, too?
