Third World. Why consistently do that?
Does any country on that list have as many untraceable illegal guns on the street? How do their laws for gun ownership look?
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It's funny how desperate guntards get with their arguments that they constantly compare crime statistics in a developed country with an effective legal system to a developing nation.
Not just a developed country.
The single richest and most developed country in human history.
Although, effective legal and government system..... the States is rapidly circling the bowl on that one, which is a disaster.
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I liked when they would bring up Syria and Iraq when those two countries were active war zones.Not just a developed country.
The single richest and most developed country in human history.
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Get ready for the Ukraine comparisons when those figures start getting released.
@BeardOfKnowledge Did you have armed officers at school in Canada?
I think there is something to this.
Plants a seed.
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@Filthy remember when I recommended that we should have increased training and permitting as you go up up the classes of firearms and you referenced Mexico and muh dozers...Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings
Here's what the US can learn from Switzerland, which has nearly eliminated mass shootings while maintaining a high rate of gun ownership.
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Even the NRA points at Switzerland, like you did, As an example of high gun ownership, low crime. And yet when looking at the details here we are again. Increase training. increase permitting. Psychological evaluation even for certain permits. Tons of guns. Safe use. We should do the same.
If more gun ownership make us safer, surely increased personal nuclear weapons would be even better.
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No, he doesn't. But let's go beyond that. Let's say he did, which I've referenced before. Where does that information go? It may or may not go into the NICS database. And if it doesn't then there is no tracking outside of the local area.
If you are purchasing a gun you cannot evaluate as the general public if that gun is stolen that you are purchasing unless you are in one of the few states that has a publicly searchable database and even then that information is state specific and falls apart when gun goes over state lines.
The easy fix to all of this is simply to show up in an FFL for every transfer so that the process is uniform. The gun can be evaluated against the NICS database everytime and the recipient can be verified as legally allowed to receive.
Instead, we are currently creating a hodgepodge of various state databases that don't talk to each other while police have differing policies on whether they put a stolen gun into the Federal database.
Short answer: Not really.
Did you have armed officers at school in Canada?
Switzerland is continuing to push new gun restrictions.
Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings
Here's what the US can learn from Switzerland, which has nearly eliminated mass shootings while maintaining a high rate of gun ownership.
Even the NRA points at Switzerland, like you did, As an example of high gun ownership, low crime. And yet when looking at the details here we are again. Increase training. increase permitting. Psychological evaluation even for certain permits. Tons of guns. Safe use. We should do the same.
it lowers the threshold of achievability.
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Finland
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Tons of training and permitting. Even classify guns for different types of permits so you can do increased training and permitting to have access to others
Firearms regulation in Finland - Wikipedia
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Tons of training and permitting. Even classify guns for different types of permits so you can do increased training and permitting to have access to others
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Sweden
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Permitting, training. Can't run around with your gun just to do it.
Lots of Guns. Not a lot of gun deaths.
Sweden Gun Laws and Gun Ownership in Sweden
In contrast to the US and other countries globally, a significant proportion of Swedes own firearms in respect to Sweden gun laws. Sweden sits among the world’s top countries with the highest guns owned per
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Permitting, training. Can't run around with your gun just to do it.
Lots of Guns. Not a lot of gun deaths.
sooooo...how do you implement this? and who is actually disarmed, criminals or law-abiding citizens?"Finland
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Tons of training and permitting. Even classify guns for different types of permits so you can do increased training and permitting to have access to others
you're gonna spend a couple hundred billion on licensing and training, and how many deaths do you think it will prevent?
more than spending that capital on mental health, or less?
Do you think criminals will say "the bar is too high, guess I can't do armed crime." ?
if it was legal to own a nuclear weapon, who would own one?
did you skip over where I mentioned all the countries that have pervasive firearm ownership?Sweden
Sweden Gun Laws and Gun Ownership in Sweden
In contrast to the US and other countries globally, a significant proportion of Swedes own firearms in respect to Sweden gun laws. Sweden sits among the world’s top countries with the highest guns owned per
Permitting, training. Can't run around with your gun just to do it.
Lots of Guns. Not a lot of gun deaths.
i think you're repeating my list, one post at a time.
Can you dumb that down for me
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Norway
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Permitting, training. Requirements on safe keeping. Limited gun types. Limited amount of guns per person.
Firearms regulation in Norway - Wikipedia
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Permitting, training. Requirements on safe keeping. Limited gun types. Limited amount of guns per person.
yep, just repeating my list.Norway
.Firearms regulation in Norway - Wikipedia
Permitting, training. Requirements on safe keeping. Limited gun types. Limited amount of guns per person.
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I am repeating your list. Because you spent dozens of pages telling me about how because I think we should have better training and permitting as requirements for many types of guns that it won't work. You constantly reference Mexico and muh dozers.
But when I walk through a list of high gun ownership, low gun crime countries, what I find is that their firearms are highly permitted requiring training and licensing. Just like I keep suggesting we should do and you have suggested we just turn us into Mexico.
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@Lars already did Canada which also has permitting a limitations.
Let's go to Austria
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Once again we see guns classified based on type. You see a base type of gun that you don't need anything more than a 3-day waiting period and a background check to get. Everything else requires increased, permitting, licensing and training.
Hey, that's the solution I thought we should do as a compromise to maintain constitutional access.
Let's go to Austria
Gun law in Austria - Wikipedia
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Once again we see guns classified based on type. You see a base type of gun that you don't need anything more than a 3-day waiting period and a background check to get. Everything else requires increased, permitting, licensing and training.
Hey, that's the solution I thought we should do as a compromise to maintain constitutional access.