General Attn: TMMAC Conservatards....

[Zeph]

Only because they weren't a world leader that faced decision as such at those times. Do not fool yourself.

The man was a war criminal and if we had lost the war he would have been hung. He should have been hung.

 

[Yossarian]

Pretend that your forefathers/mothers were angels, and cast your blame tyo the guy at the wheel. Comfortable, convenient, and a nice view from your moral soapbox. While ignoring a lot of questions. You are the drunk one buddy.

 

[Yossarian]

The man was a war criminal and if we had lost the war he would have been hung. He should have been hung.

You would have been speaking german then. That is, if you were not gassed. How dark are you?

 

[1372]

 

[Yossarian]

Do FDR, Marx, Che, LBJ racism or...maybe Ghandi and his weird boy enemas and child nude massages...get a pass for their undesirable qualities?

Eugenics studies and social Darwinism theories were pervasive in the mainstream during all these periods and I think ignoring the contribution of racism is very wrong, but also holding people to a standard without context is myopic.

"Everyone was racist back then" is a shorthand for a certain amount of accuracy when you consider the layman was hearing from scientists promoting the need to save those poor savages from themselves.

How about some consider Castro a hero, like those Candians do?

 

[Zeph]

Pretend that your forefathers/mothers were angels, and cast your blame tyo the guy at the wheel. Comfortable, convenient, and a nice view from your moral soapbox. While ignoring a lot of questions. You are the drunk one buddy.

There is quite a big difference from saying my family weren't war criminals to saying they were angels. Your whole argument is we can't judge people from the past, which is bullshit, we judge people from the past all the time. Churchill stood up to the Nazi's, but that is one good act in a lifetime of imperialism, death, murder, and racism.

 

[KWingJitsu]

Churchill was instrumental in causing a famine in Bengal during the war which caused the deaths of 3 million people. He shipped food from starving people to the middle east where it wasn't even needed. When they asked for food Churchill said that the famine was their own fault for “breeding like rabbits”.

This is what Churchill had to say about Indians, “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.” Leo Amery, British Secretary of State in India, said that he “didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitlers”. Churchill refused all aid to Bengal. Canada and US offered rice and he refused.

Here is his stance on the use of poisoned gas, “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against the uncivilised tribes, it would spread a lively terror”. He described his time during the Boer War, where Britain corralled people into concentration camps, the first documented use of them, as 'a great lark riding about'. Then to Parliament about how franchisement would be arranged in South Africa “We must be bound by the interpretation which the other party places on it and it is undoubted that the Boers would regard it as a breach of that treaty if the franchise were in the first instance extended to any persons who are not white”.

Here's another Churchill gem:

"I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

Goodness. aka Stuff I did not know.
I learned something new from the genius level TMMAC 'libtards'.
Ah well. Racist as he was, protesting in a coffee shop is still pretty dumb with no payoff.

 

[1372]

There is quite a big difference from saying my family weren't war criminals to saying they were angels. Your whole argument is we can't judge people from the past, which is bullshit, we judge people from the past all the time. Churchill stood up to the Nazi's, but that is one good act in a lifetime of imperialism, death, murder, and racism.

It was a pretty fucking important one act though brother.

Now I'm staying out of it.

 

[Disciplined Galt]

There is quite a big difference from saying my family weren't war criminals to saying they were angels. Your whole argument is we can't judge people from the past, which is bullshit, we judge people from the past all the time. Churchill stood up to the Nazi's, but that is one good act in a lifetime of imperialism, death, murder, and racism.

What did your ancestors contribute with?

 

[Zeph]

It was a pretty fucking important one act though brother.

Now I'm staying out of it.

What do you think his motivations were, though? It was to protect the empire not to save anyone. He didn't know about the concentration camps, death camps, etc, when he went to war. It wasn't some noble sacrifice. It was to protect his hegemonic power to exploit the world.

 

[1372]

What do you think his motivations were, though? It was to protect the Empire not to save anyone. He didn't know about the concentration camps, death camps, etc, when he went to war. It wasn't some noble sacrifice. It was to protect his hegemonic power to exploit the world.

Yeah...This is where I check out bro...I don't do these arguments/discussions....It's how I try to keep friends.

 

[Zeph]

What did your ancestors contribute with?

Their lives in some cases.

 

[Filthy]

The man was a war criminal and if we had lost the war he would have been hung. He should have been hung.

You're basically quoting from a single book with "Churchill caused the Bengal famine".

"Peace, order and a high condition of war-time well-being among the masses of the people constitute the essential foundation of the forward thrust against the enemy….The hard pressures of world-war have for the first time for many years brought conditions of scarcity, verging in some localities into actual famine, upon India. Every effort must be made, even by the diversion of shipping urgently needed for war purposes, to deal with local shortages….Every effort should be made by you to assuage the strife between the Hindus and Moslems and to induce them to work together for the common good." - Winston Churchill, to the Viceroy of India

"I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India….Last year we had a grievous famine in Bengal through which at least 700,000 people died. This year there is a good crop of rice, but we are faced with an acute shortage of wheat, aggravated by unprecedented storms….By cutting down military shipments and other means, I have been able to arrange for 350,000 tons of wheat to be shipped to India from Australia during the first nine months of 1944. This is the shortest haul. I cannot see how to do more.

I have had much hesitation in asking you to add to the great assistance you are giving us with shipping but a satisfactory situation in India is of such vital importance to the success of our joint plans against the Japanese that I am impelled to ask you to consider a special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia….We have the wheat (in Australia) but we lack the ships. I have resisted for some time the Viceroy’s request that I should ask you for your help, but… I am no longer justified in not asking for your help."
- Churchill, in a letter to FDR

You're also leaving out the corruption in Indian politics, from local leaders siphoning and selling food, land grabs by the 'wealthy peasants', as well as Ghandi's party at the national level. Not that there was a national conspiracy to starve Bengal, but Ghandi's party made political hay of the Muslim government in Bengal facing famine and starvation - especially in the early stages. Maybe mention that over half of the deaths were due to disease, after the food crisis was dealt with. And by 'dealt with', I mean Churchill and the military took over distribution of food. Did Chuchill invade Burma and cause a massive influx of refugees to Bengal? Did Churchill kill off the winter rice harvest with brown fungus?

The Bengali famine goes back at least 20 years before WWII, and to try and pin it on Churchill in singularity is retarded. Or politically motivated. But I don't think you're retarded.

 

[1372]

You're basically quoting from a single book with "Churchill caused the Bengal famine".

"Peace, order and a high condition of war-time well-being among the masses of the people constitute the essential foundation of the forward thrust against the enemy….The hard pressures of world-war have for the first time for many years brought conditions of scarcity, verging in some localities into actual famine, upon India. Every effort must be made, even by the diversion of shipping urgently needed for war purposes, to deal with local shortages….Every effort should be made by you to assuage the strife between the Hindus and Moslems and to induce them to work together for the common good." - Winston Churchill, to the Viceroy of India

"I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India….Last year we had a grievous famine in Bengal through which at least 700,000 people died. This year there is a good crop of rice, but we are faced with an acute shortage of wheat, aggravated by unprecedented storms….By cutting down military shipments and other means, I have been able to arrange for 350,000 tons of wheat to be shipped to India from Australia during the first nine months of 1944. This is the shortest haul. I cannot see how to do more.

I have had much hesitation in asking you to add to the great assistance you are giving us with shipping but a satisfactory situation in India is of such vital importance to the success of our joint plans against the Japanese that I am impelled to ask you to consider a special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia….We have the wheat (in Australia) but we lack the ships. I have resisted for some time the Viceroy’s request that I should ask you for your help, but… I am no longer justified in not asking for your help."
- Churchill, in a letter to FDR

You're also leaving out the corruption in Indian politics, from local leaders siphoning and selling food, land grabs by the 'wealthy peasants', as well as Ghandi's party at the national level. Not that there was a national conspiracy to starve Bengal, but Ghandi's party made political hay of the Muslim government in Bengal facing famine and starvation - especially in the early stages. Maybe mention that over half of the deaths were due to disease, after the food crisis was dealt with. And by 'dealt with', I mean Churchill and the military took over distribution of food. Did Chuchill invade Burma and cause a massive influx of refugees to Bengal? Did Churchill kill off the winter rice harvest with brown fungus?

The Bengali famine goes back at least 20 years before WWII, and to try and pin it on Churchill in singularity is retarded. Or politically motivated. But I don't think you're retarded.

Ahhh....Fuck it!

 

[Disciplined Galt]

Their lives in some cases.

Examples?

 

[Yossarian]

Goodness. aka Stuff I did not know.
I learned something new from the genius level TMMAC 'libtards'.
Ah well. Racist as he was, protesting in a coffee shop is still pretty dumb with no payoff.

It's virtue signaling at best.

 

[Yossarian]

There is quite a big difference from saying my family weren't war criminals to saying they were angels. Your whole argument is we can't judge people from the past, which is bullshit, we judge people from the past all the time. Churchill stood up to the Nazi's, but that is one good act in a lifetime of imperialism, death, murder, and racism.

I am saying is that you need to consider historical context, even in recent history. If we go by a bad guys list of the last century, he's the one on top of the list? Not even close. Does he have blood on his hands, yes, and he is not the only one. If you consider two world war, conolization, industrial revolution, many, many of the world leaders in industry and states have blood on their hands (King Leopold II, Carnegie, Mandela, Columbus, Lincoln, etc) The list could go on and on, it wouldn't make Churchil an exception, but more the norm for those times.