Be honest: what would the MMA world be saying if Conor won a title from 11th ranked guy?

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kneeblock

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That's really just a bunch of boolsheet

You fight who they put in front of you, Khabib has and has never lost.

Is it his fault Conor is a cokehead that will not defend his belt?
Is it his fault that Tony Ferg kicks metal poles and wear sunglasses indoors on fight week and gets hurt?


Conor beat dwarfs at 145 in his own words and is essentailly 1-1-1 at fighting above 145 and has a horrible loss to Nate.

You clearly also seem not to grasp how deep lw is, that is sad from a poster of your tenure. Iaquinta was ranked 11th, do you always only look at the surface? Poirier if he beats Gaethje might get the next shot at Khabib, Gaethje has lost once ever, to Eddie, if you put Al in with either of those guys it's a tossup fight to me.

There is almost no seperation between a guy ranked 4 at lw in the ufc compared to a guy at 11 or even 15, shoot I can find guys that are in the 15 to 25 range at lw that would do well against the top 5 lw's.

James Vick is like 15th ranked, that guy beats or is a tossup to beat most top 10 155 ers

Really shocked to see you drop the ball horribly and not grasp what is going on with this topic
Bro first of all don't come at me with this "you don't seem to grasp for a poster of your tenure (what?)" BS. It's a passive aggressive punk move to foreground a bunch of opinion you're about to spout with nothing backing it up, either historically or logically. Just say what you have to say. Second, you either can't read or are just so intent on white knighting for your hero Khabib that you're not reading.

None of what I've said is a criticism of Khabib the human, the fighter, the dude getting his money however he can. He is taking advantage of the opportunity in front of him. I ain't mad. What I'm onviously offering is a criticism of championship management by the UFC. There are people who for years across multiple forums debated how to preserve the integrity of what it meant to be a champion in MMA (whistleblower, ShanoknowsMMA, Herring in a Fur Coat-Fight Matrix, Full Contact Fighter, MMAWeekly and even Jeff Sherwood). The lineal title matters (#1 ranked fighter at that weight in the world) when its broken there are culturally agreed upon parameters for replacing it (#2 vs. #3 or #4) otherwise the promotions can do whatever tf they want. The depth of the division and your completely arbitrary definitions of parity mean nothing. LW has always been deep. Without historical backing, a title is just something someone hands you, like a Sales Associate of the month certificate.

Khabib isn't to blame for the situation he's in and has earned a right to be in a title fight if they're stripping Conor, but there's no way we can recognize a fight with Iaquinta, who wasn't even eligible for the title in the event of a win, as a legitimate passage of the championship. Also, if Conor becomes active again at FW or LW, it's the lineal title being contested, just as if GSP fights at WW or MW again, his lineal titles are reactivated and if Jones fights at LHW again his lineal title is reactivated. Sadly, almost all of the lineages are completely broken now, but no attempts at replacement have been as egregious as Khabib vs. Iaquinta for the title. Under every previous precedent where a last minute replacement has happened in a main event title fight, rankings have determined whether it was for the belt or not. This fight it's obvious the UFC wanted to wring whatever attractiveness they could to get people to buy that PPV and not demand massive box office refunds. Keeping it a title fight is the oldest promotional trick to doing that in the book. You'd have to be blind or hopelessly naive to think otherwise. Khabib is a paper champ, but he can become a more legitimate champ with a win over Ferguson if Conor stays out or can become the real champ if Conor returns and he beats him.
 

La Paix

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Bro first of all don't come at me with this "you don't seem to grasp for a poster of your tenure (what?)" BS. It's a passive aggressive punk move to foreground a bunch of opinion you're about to spout with nothing backing it up, either historically or logically. Just say what you have to say. Second, you either can't read or are just so intent on white knighting for your hero Khabib that you're not reading.

None of what I've said is a criticism of Khabib the human, the fighter, the dude getting his money however he can. He is taking advantage of the opportunity in front of him. I ain't mad. What I'm onviously offering is a criticism of championship management by the UFC. There are people who for years across multiple forums debated how to preserve the integrity of what it meant to be a champion in MMA (whistleblower, ShanoknowsMMA, Herring in a Fur Coat-Fight Matrix, Full Contact Fighter, MMAWeekly and even Jeff Sherwood). The lineal title matters (#1 ranked fighter at that weight in the world) when its broken there are culturally agreed upon parameters for replacing it (#2 vs. #3 or #4) otherwise the promotions can do whatever tf they want. The depth of the division and your completely arbitrary definitions of parity mean nothing. LW has always been deep. Without historical backing, a title is just something someone hands you, like a Sales Associate of the month certificate.

Khabib isn't to blame for the situation he's in and has earned a right to be in a title fight if they're stripping Conor, but there's no way we can recognize a fight with Iaquinta, who wasn't even eligible for the title in the event of a win, as a legitimate passage of the championship. Also, if Conor becomes active again at FW or LW, it's the lineal title being contested, just as if GSP fights at WW or MW again, his lineal titles are reactivated and if Jones fights at LHW again his lineal title is reactivated. Sadly, almost all of the lineages are completely broken now, but no attempts at replacement have been as egregious as Khabib vs. Iaquinta for the title. Under every previous precedent where a last minute replacement has happened in a main event title fight, rankings have determined whether it was for the belt or not. This fight it's obvious the UFC wanted to wring whatever attractiveness they could to get people to buy that PPV and not demand massive box office refunds. Keeping it a title fight is the oldest promotional trick to doing that in the book. You'd have to be blind or hopelessly naive to think otherwise. Khabib is a paper champ, but he can become a more legitimate champ with a win over Ferguson if Conor stays out or can become the real champ if Conor returns and he beats him.
I love this version of KB so much more than the communist. Well said sir.
 

SensoriaUtopia

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So much revisionism, high horsing, assumptions and back handed complimenting here.

Nope, more like truth

Its high horsing or an assumption that Conor is not defending his belt, the only assumption is cokehead but most can tell he is

Is it high horsing to say that it is not his fault Tony got hurt?

Respectfully what the freak are you even getting at, your point? your logic?

Are you not aware that LW is not just 15 deep but about 30 deep with high level fighters in the ufc

Are you seriously telling me that Iaquinta vs Poirier or Gaetjie is not essentially a pickem fight"

Did you overlook Iaquinta 4 or 5 fight win streak.

Do you not understand if he was more active the rank would be higher and lol at shitting on being raked 11 in the best weightclass in the ufc

outside of Khabib, Tony and maybe Conor the rest of the lw's ranked 4 to 20 are very very close to each other in talent and ability.

If James Vick fought Dustin Poirier who is raked way higher, I am taking James Vick and putting money on him.

All these things are obvious when you watch the fights

It's not even complicated but if you want to simply be a contrarian, go for it. Truth is there
 

SensoriaUtopia

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Bro first of all don't come at me with this "you don't seem to grasp for a poster of your tenure (what?)" BS. It's a passive aggressive punk move to foreground a bunch of opinion you're about to spout with nothing backing it up, either historically or logically. Just say what you have to say. Second, you either can't read or are just so intent on white knighting for your hero Khabib that you're not reading.

None of what I've said is a criticism of Khabib the human, the fighter, the dude getting his money however he can. He is taking advantage of the opportunity in front of him. I ain't mad. What I'm onviously offering is a criticism of championship management by the UFC. There are people who for years across multiple forums debated how to preserve the integrity of what it meant to be a champion in MMA (whistleblower, ShanoknowsMMA, Herring in a Fur Coat-Fight Matrix, Full Contact Fighter, MMAWeekly and even Jeff Sherwood). The lineal title matters (#1 ranked fighter at that weight in the world) when its broken there are culturally agreed upon parameters for replacing it (#2 vs. #3 or #4) otherwise the promotions can do whatever tf they want. The depth of the division and your completely arbitrary definitions of parity mean nothing. LW has always been deep. Without historical backing, a title is just something someone hands you, like a Sales Associate of the month certificate.

Khabib isn't to blame for the situation he's in and has earned a right to be in a title fight if they're stripping Conor, but there's no way we can recognize a fight with Iaquinta, who wasn't even eligible for the title in the event of a win, as a legitimate passage of the championship. Also, if Conor becomes active again at FW or LW, it's the lineal title being contested, just as if GSP fights at WW or MW again, his lineal titles are reactivated and if Jones fights at LHW again his lineal title is reactivated. Sadly, almost all of the lineages are completely broken now, but no attempts at replacement have been as egregious as Khabib vs. Iaquinta for the title. Under every previous precedent where a last minute replacement has happened in a main event title fight, rankings have determined whether it was for the belt or not. This fight it's obvious the UFC wanted to wring whatever attractiveness they could to get people to buy that PPV and not demand massive box office refunds. Keeping it a title fight is the oldest promotional trick to doing that in the book. You'd have to be blind or hopelessly naive to think otherwise. Khabib is a paper champ, but he can become a more legitimate champ with a win over Ferguson if Conor stays out or can become the real champ if Conor returns and he beats him.

You took a shit on what Khabib is doing and you are not understand that you can only fight who they put in front of you. I stand behind what I said, you are better than this and your IQ is better than this.
 

Rambo John J

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No idea why I was tagged but I'll address some of what you wrote.



So nice to see your double standard on display.



Incorrect. Khabib has 8 knockouts, 8 submissions, and 10 decisions.



I personally gave Al the 4th but the judges didn't so ok this might be your only rational point.



Faulty analogy fallacy. Apples and oranges, man. Apples and oranges.



Who said that's what he wants to do. He's always stated that he wants partial ownership of the UFC.

The raucous is what sells.
 

tang

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No idea why I was tagged but I'll address some of what you wrote.

So nice to see your double standard on display.

Incorrect. Khabib has 8 knockouts, 8 submissions, and 10 decisions

Who said that's what he wants to do. He's always stated that he wants partial ownership of the UFC.

The raucous is what sells.
I got confused cuz you and the op have the same avatar.

double standard? Conor's standards are higher if he doesn't meet that, some kind of disappointment will be expressed.

it looked to me like OP is looking for ways to belittle Khabib's champioinship win by comparing it to a hypothetical situation, if Conor had won the belt the same way, but thing is, Conor consistently KO'd opponents so if he doesn't do that, he's not meeting the standards he set.

On the other hand, Khabib's wins were inconsistent, sometimes decision, sometimes finish, but he consistently won rounds, you can't deny that and that's the same standards Khabib's been meeting. (in the 4th, Khabib jab landed way more than what Iaquinta landed on Khabib)

ok, they are apples and oranges but I included to show that Conor might be good in one department but lacks in many others which shows how stupid this thread is.

the raucous I was referring to was about holding up divisions and things like that but didn't he start his own promotion already? Instead of UFC ownership, wouldn't opting out and holding his own event that he fights in, would make him more bucks? or UFC's too strong for him to compete?
and that last raucus he pulled was totally unnecessary and we all beat that one to death
 
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tang

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It's always nice when people just come out and admit their unfair bias and you don't have to pry it out of them.
the scenario you gave is two different scenario how is it bias?

Conor's been finishing everyone except 4 people in his entire career, not to mention all of his recent wins on the way to the title were all KO's so if he didn't KO, someone like me won't be satisfied, being used to seeing him KO all of his wins.

Khabib's been finishing some, decision some, different everytime except winning rounds and that's exactly what he did. Same stuff.

different scenario so if Conor went through the same thing Khabib to get the belt, yes I'd criticize him a bit. not much, but just a little bit.
 

Ted Williams' head

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the scenario you gave is two different scenario how is it bias?
Well you flat out admitted you would be critical of Conor for doing something that you would not be critical of Khabib for doing. That seems like bias to me. I understand why you feel that way, but it's still unfair.

I don't see why the standard should be higher for Conor, given the crazy amount of hype that Khabib has as this brutal killer.
 

tang

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Well you flat out admitted you would be critical of Conor for doing something that you would not be critical of Khabib for doing. That seems like bias to me. I understand why you feel that way, but it's still unfair.

I don't see why the standard should be higher for Conor, given the crazy amount of hype that Khabib has as this brutal killer.
I guess "higher" was the wrong word, more like, "different" standards for Conor

I'm going off of what you presented, the way you present two different standards, and expecting both to be held same is biased towards what you're trying to get out of.

two different standards man

my analogy is horrendous but let me try one here,

comparing specs between a drag racing car and an off-road car and not being happy if one doesn't meet the standards of other.
how's that? :cool: