British brothers and sisters, y'all wearing poppies or nah?

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Are you wearing a poppy?

  • Yes. God save the Queen!

    Votes: 9 37.5%
  • No. Ain't nobody got time for that.

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Are you aving a laugh?

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • U Wot M8?

    Votes: 11 45.8%

  • Total voters
    24

ThatOneDude

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That's already pretty heinous though.
Yes it is, but it's still not the government painting the beems with termite and doing a controlled demo. I think the big disagreement is who took down the towers. And the level of mistrust each person has for the government.
And apparently if you don't buy into the towers being a controlled demo then you are a sheep.... I guess. Even if you state underhanded things happened.
 

Hired Gun

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Planes took down the towers. Gov had nothing to do with that. I believed it then and I believe it now.
 

ThatOneDude

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Planes took down the towers. Gov had nothing to do with that. I believed it then and I believe it now.
Well if some sectors of government knew about it, and didn't act to stop it then do they still have nothing to do with it?
 

Leigh

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Yes it is, but it's still not the government painting the beems with termite and doing a controlled demo. I think the big disagreement is who took down the towers. And the level of mistrust each person has for the government.
And apparently if you don't buy into the towers being a controlled demo then you are a sheep.... I guess. Even if you state underhanded things happened.
I'm not even convinced the US government let it happen. If they did, I don't think it matters if they dropped the towers or not, they're complicit.

But at the very least, there is gross incompetence and a cover up.
 

Hired Gun

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I'm not even convinced the US government let it happen. If they did, I don't think it matters if they dropped the towers or not, they're complicit.

But at the very least, there is gross incompetence and a cover up.
Yep
 

ThatOneDude

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I'm not even convinced the US government let it happen. If they did, I don't think it matters if they dropped the towers or not, they're complicit.

But at the very least, there is gross incompetence and a cover up.
Yes, this is my general thoughts on it. And in addition to that people in government took advantage of the situation that presented itself.
 

jason73

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so is anyone wearing a poppy or not? do americans wear poppies too?
 

Ted Williams' head

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For example, I accept as fact that the US Government had prior warning to the attack. They admitted as much and a number of intelligent sources around the world confirmed that they had informed them.
That's probably true, but a lot of those warnings are very vague. For the CIA to tell the government that there was a group in America planning a terrorist attack... well, that doesn't really give you a whole lot to go on. America is a big place, and there are a lot of different ways a group of terrorists can attack. There's absolutely no proof that any specific details were given to the government in regards to the 9/11 attack (approximate date, method of attack, ect).

I don't really see a problem in distrusting the government, or having issue with certain parts of the official story. I don't doubt that maybe something was covered up in terms of making the government looking incompetent.

But when people get into the inside job thing, I have to smh. It takes a much larger leap of faith to believe the American government sent those planes into the buildings than it does to believe the official story.
 

Leigh

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That's probably true, but a lot of those warnings are very vague. For the CIA to tell the government that there was a group in America planning a terrorist attack... well, that doesn't really give you a whole lot to go on. America is a big place, and there are a lot of different ways a group of terrorists can attack. There's absolutely no proof that any specific details were given to the government in regards to the 9/11 attack (approximate date, method of attack, ect).

I don't really see a problem in distrusting the government, or having issue with certain parts of the official story. I don't doubt that maybe something was covered up in terms of making the government looking incompetent.

But when people get into the inside job thing, I have to smh. It takes a much larger leap of faith to believe the American government sent those planes into the buildings than it does to believe the official story.
Really? You don't think the US government would perpetrate a False Flag operation?
 

Leigh

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They would, and they've planned them and I'm sure executed them. I don't think this was one though.
I do think there are inconsistencies with the conspiracy theories. Eg, if the US government planned the whole thing, how did other intelligence agencies find out from Arabs? You'd imagine they'd keep something like that pretty close to the chest.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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There's absolutely no proof that any specific details were given to the government in regards to the 9/11 attack (approximate date, method of attack, ect).
I'm pretty sure the 9/11 Commission Report stated that there was a planned terrorists attack involving planes and approximate dates. Their basic explanation of why they didn't act was that they get those reports all the time and can't possibly be bothered to investigate them all. It was 11 years ago though, I may be misremembering. I do remember Jon Stewart having an absolute field day because the government report was actually admitting that with little effort they probably could have prevented it from happening.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I feel the Air Force shot down the plane over Pennsylvania
This I agree with 100%. I remember me and my friends huddled around the radio listening to the news, and them saying that there was a 4th plane that fighter jets were being sent to intercept. That plane disappeared from media coverage for the rest of the day. Then sometime in the evening it reappeared on the medias radar as being taken down by the heroic actions of its passengers, and the jets sent to intercept it were never mentioned again.
 

Ted Williams' head

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I'm pretty sure the 9/11 Commission Report stated that there was a planned terrorists attack involving planes and approximate dates. Their basic explanation of why they didn't act was that they get those reports all the time and can't possibly be bothered to investigate them all. It was 11 years ago though, I may be misremembering. I do remember Jon Stewart having an absolute field day because the government report was actually admitting that with little effort they probably could have prevented it from happening.
It's been a while since I read all this stuff, but I think the warnings of using planes in particular came up years before 9/11, before Dubya was even in office.

There's no doubt that there was gross incompetence that day. I believe one of the hijackers even set off the metal detector at one point. But I don't think there is enough evidence to strongly suggest that they knew it was going to happen and did nothing.
 

Leigh

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Random info, I once took a kitchen knife on a plane by accident. It was in my carry on luggage. I didn't realise until I landed. No one noticed.
 

ThatOneDude

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Random info, I once took a kitchen knife on a plane by accident. It was in my carry on luggage. I didn't realise until I landed. No one noticed.
I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've flown with knives and ammo in my bags when I was in the military. Wasn't ever done purposely but they never found them..... They did however take my 5.56 Keychain I had..... Go figure.
 
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I agree, I think it's incredibly stupid to not try to learn the language of the land, because in the end you're the one who loses out.

Obviously a child would be forced to learn English through the Canadian school system, but for someone above high school age I really don't feel they should be forced to. It seems strange to me.
I like you
 

Zeph

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I do think there are inconsistencies with the conspiracy theories. Eg, if the US government planned the whole thing, how did other intelligence agencies find out from Arabs? You'd imagine they'd keep something like that pretty close to the chest.
No you wouldn't. If there is going to be a terrorist attack there is always chatter in the build up. It would look more suspicious if it came out of the blue. A few well placed sources could spread the word well enough that multiple agencies find out. I'm not saying this is what happened, I am just saying if someone wanted to do a false flag operation that this would be more optimal for later deniability than no chatter.
 
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Close to 600 mph at sea level.
That's weird I didn't know they were flying directly at sea level, I thought the towers were hit higher up. Weird they could navigate the urban jungle of Manhattan at 0 feet above sea level. :sunglasses:

How did they verify these claims of speed? Were they standing there with a radar gun?

Also if the planes went into uncontrolled descents to get at the proper height they would pick up a lot of speed.

I know you are just reporting what you watched. Just questions I have.
 

Zeph

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That's weird I didn't know they were flying directly at sea level, I thought the towers were hit higher up. Weird they could navigate the urban jungle of Manhattan at 0 feet above sea level. :sunglasses:

How did they verify these claims of speed? Were they standing there with a radar gun?

Also if the planes went into uncontrolled descents to get at the proper height they would pick up a lot of speed.

I know you are just reporting what you watched. Just questions I have.
That is the Pentagon plane. Which did a highspeed turn around the building to come in low at near sea level and hit the side of the building. The side of the building that was undergoing renovations and had minimal amounts of people in at the time.
 
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That is the Pentagon plane. Which did a highspeed turn around the building to come in low at near sea level and hit the side of the building. The side of the building that was undergoing renovations and had minimal amounts of people in at the time.
Ohh ok.