General Canadian Politics eh.

SoupCan said:
Why is that?
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Because you're very clearly stating that you're not open to hearing someone's opinion.

SoupCan said:
To be fair I have zero faith in any goverment, just less with the Libs.

I find with hard leaning Liberal supporters they dont really have any ground as to why they support them anymore they just have committed for to long.
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Anyone who's hard leaning for a party is ultimately in the same boat whether they realize it or not.

SoupCan said:
Christy especially she and the rest of her government literally fucked us and didnt even turn the lights off but you tards wanted to hand her the keys again
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No idea what you're talking about.
 
MC Gusto said:
To be fair, I dont think he realizes you as a tard specifically didnt vote in the BC election 😉
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Nor would I have any interest in Christy being the premier of the province. It's kind of funny, he asked why I'm concerned by people whom make blanket statements and then proceeded to make a completely false assumption about me solely because I disagreed with his position.
 
MC Gusto said:
You're drunk, go to bed and take off the fake military uniform Lahey.
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You absolutely did what he claimed. I posted straight out of high school social studies textbooks to refute you. It was in the charlottesville thread.

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Once again, you demonstrate you dont understand the political spectrum.

LIberal or Conservative are not the only two political ideologies one might identify with. To attempt to push this narrative is either ignorant or just intentionally wrong. You're attempting to play dumbed down identity politics.

A party can fall on the left of the political spectrum but also be either authoritarian or libertarian. For example a left leaning authoritarian party is much, much different from a left leaning libertarian party... But I guess to you they are all just Liberals.

On another note, why did you pass over my response to your RT video with the paid Russian propaganda radio host?

DiSmAnTLeR said:
Here is an example of how you really don’t grasp the discussion, while at the same time are accusing others of the very same thing.






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Here is my first reply regarding the NDP not being Liberal. It’s also the first of many times where I had to explain to you that the employment rate of a province has more to do with a previous government than a newly elected one. That fact still hasn’t sunk in with you though, as I’ve explained it multiple time and you have even tagged it as informative, yet you continue to parrot the assertion.

DiSmAnTLeR said:
I’ll take up the discussion for him.

You have a poor grasp of Canadian politics. You are trying to argue that left of centre values aren’t considered ‘liberal’ values when they in fact are. This is taught in high school. Your problem is that as soon as you hear the word ‘liberal’, you associate it with the liberal party.

You did argue that you weren’t liberal, in the sense that you don’t support the liberal party but what you dont grasp is the true usage of the word liberal in terms of economic and social policies.



I’ll take up the discussion for him.

You are trying to argue that left of centre values aren’t considered ‘liberal’ values when they in fact are. This is taught in high school. Your problem is that as soon as you hear the word ‘liberal’, you associate it with the liberal party.

You did argue that you weren’t liberal, in the sense that you don’t support the liberal party but what you dont grasp is the true usage of the word liberal in terms of economic and social policies.

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DiSmAnTLeR said:
You absolutely did what he claimed. I posted straight out of high school social studies textbooks to refute you. It was in the charlottesville thread.

MC Gusto said: ↑
Once again, you demonstrate you dont understand the political spectrum.

LIberal or Conservative are not the only two political ideologies one might identify with. To attempt to push this narrative is either ignorant or just intentionally wrong. You're attempting to play dumbed down identity politics.

A party can fall on the left of the political spectrum but also be either authoritarian or libertarian. For example a left leaning authoritarian party is much, much different from a left leaning libertarian party... But I guess to you they are all just Liberals.

On another note, why did you pass over my response to your RT video with the paid Russian propaganda radio host?
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So where in what you just posted did I claim, "the NDP doesn't have liberal politics".

When we were involved in that discussion, we were discussion Ted's use of the word Liberal as a catch phrase to include anything left of the far right.
 
MC Gusto said:
I understand the similarities but it doesnt make sense to use as an example. You have a dozen examples you could use across Canada yet you choose the one that is not same as the rest.
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That is another basis of COMPARISON that you could use, gusto! Good job!

Honestly though, if you are incapable of comparing/contrasting two elections because they are involving two different levels of government, then quite frankly, politics is above your head. I could use an example of an election from Africa or Europe and everyone on the thread except you would pick up what I’m laying down.

“ you choose the one that is not same as the rest“

If you COMPARE participation rates, our last federal election was very similar to the last BC provincial election. It all depends on your basis of COMPARISON.


(Gusto trying to formulate a reply)

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DiSmAnTLeR said:
That is another basis of COMPARISON that you could use, gusto! Good job!

Honestly though, if you are incapable of comparing/contrasting two elections because they are involving two different levels of government, then quite frankly, politics is above your head. I could use an example of an election from Africa or Europe and everyone on the thread except you would pick up what I’m laying down.

“ you choose the one that is not same as the rest“

If you COMPARE participation rates, our last federal election was very similar to the last BC provincial election. It all depends on your basis of COMPARISON.


(Gusto trying to formulate a reply)

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Proportional Representation at the Federal level would look vastly different than Pro Rep at the Provincial level. I stand by my comments.

At the Federal level, you are dealing with a whole new set of issues that wouldnt be at play in the Provincial level.

Apples and oranges.
 
MC Gusto said:
So where in what you just posted did I claim, "the NDP doesn't have liberal politics".

When we were involved in that discussion, we were discussion Ted's use of the word Liberal as a catch phrase to include anything left of the far right.
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We have been over this. It was you that didn’t grasp the concept, which is why I replied to you.
 
Kevin O'Leary suing Elections Canada over fundraising limits
Failed Conservative leadership contender and reality TV star Kevin O'Leary is suing the federal elections commissioner and Elections Canada over fundraising rules that limit how much of his own money he can spend to clear up outstanding campaign debts — rules O'Leary says infringe upon his Charter rights.

O'Leary racked up nearly $2 million in debt in his 2017 campaign to replace former prime minister Stephen Harper as leader of the federal Tories.

Despite strong initial poll numbers, O'Leary dropped out of the race in response to low support from Quebecers. He subsequently backed another failed candidate, Maxime Bernier, who has since left the Conservatives to form a party of his own.

According to a statement of claim obtained by CBC News, O'Leary still owes in excess of $400,000 to several campaign suppliers — most of them small- or medium-sized enterprises that O'Leary said have experienced financial hardship as a result of the unpaid bills. He said he wants to pay them back personally, but Elections Canada is saying no.

O'Leary, like all contenders for leadership of a federal party, is restricted in the amount of money he can personally float his campaign.


The TV pitchman and businessman already has contributed the maximum sum allowed under the rules: a one-time advance of $25,000. Individual contributors can only donate $1,575 a year to a candidate.

O'Leary is not the first to face problems in paying off debts for a failed campaign. The crowded 2006 Liberal leadership field also saw a number of politicians incur sizeable debts and subsequently struggle to pay them off because of limits on personal contributions.

O'Leary had proposed a solution to Elections Canada: he'd pay the vendors back right away but still commit to fundraising the money over a longer period of time from individual donors. The agency rejected that plan as a violation of existing rules.

"It's an outrage. This rule has really had many horrible, unintended consequences. I'm doing this on behalf of every single Canadian to make our country better," O'Leary said of his lawsuit in an interview with CBC's Power & Politics.

In his claim, O'Leary said that it is proving too difficult to raise the necessary funds in the three-year timeframe set by Elections Canada laws because people are understandably "uninterested" in contributing to a failed campaign that is long over.

"I went to Elections Canada and said, 'I found out there's a bunch of people who are owed money. I'd like to pay them back and then I'll go onwards and raise money.' It seems very unfair that a small vendor owed $2,500 shouldn't be paid back. That's un-Canadian," O'Leary told Power & Politics host Vassy Kapelos.



Amanda, Chris, Tim and Kathleen discuss Kevin O'Leary's claim that campaign fundraising rules infringe upon his Charter rights. 9:13
"If you're out of the race, and you're not a politician any more and you owe money to a fellow citizen, where is it right that the law protects you from ever paying it back? That's un-Canadian. That's unconstitutional. That's simply wrong,"

In a statement, a spokesperson for Elections Canada said the agency is aware of the pending legal action. "We haven't taken a position on it at this time," Natasha Gauthier said.

O'Leary said the spending limits on personal contributions discourage successful Canadians from vying for a party's leadership. "We're breeding mediocrity," O'Leary said. "All parties should come up with a better law."

The Canadian-born personality argues restrictions on personal contributions to the campaign are a violation of his freedom of expression rights under section 2(b) of the Charter.

O'Leary also argues that the threat of jail time for failing to pay back campaign debts, despite his personal willingness to make the creditors whole — which is possible under Canadian campaign laws — violates his section 7 right to security of person.
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DiSmAnTLeR said:
We have been over this. It was you that didn’t grasp the concept, which is why I replied to you.
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Apples and oranges.

Just because you compared the voter turn out does not mean they (fed vs prov pro rep) would be similar systems, with similar issues and rolled out in similar ways.

How do you think Quebec would factor into Pro Rep?

How about the First Nations? Would they be participating as a Nation?

How about the vast amounts of extremely rural living in the territories?
 
“LIberal or Conservative are not the only two political ideologies one might identify with. To attempt to push this narrative is either ignorant or just intentionally wrong. You're attempting to play dumbed down identity politics.

A party can fall on the left of the political spectrum but also be either authoritarian or libertarian. For example a left leaning authoritarian party is much, much different from a left leaning libertarian party... But I guess to you they are all just Liberals.”

This is your quote that I refuted. You were the one confusing liberal ideology and you were wrong.
 
MC Gusto said:
Apples and oranges.

Just because you compared the voter turn out does not mean they (fed vs prov pro rep) would be similar systems, with similar issues and rolled out in similar ways.

How do you think Quebec would factor into Pro Rep?

How about the First Nations? Would they be participating as a Nation?

How about the vast amounts of extremely rural living in the territories?
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I never once said that they would be similar systems with similar issues and implementation strategies. I pointed out a similarity in the two systems, regarding voter turnout. I made a COMPARISON

I’m not wasting my time answering your tangent that follows. It’s a typical tactic of yours. Why dont you explain your views on Quebec, First Nations, and rural citizens living in the territories? I simply posted a statistic to help illustrate how little of a population can determine an election.

For some reason, you feel that the info that I provided has no bearing in a discussion about AN ELECTION and have now moved the goalposts to ‘First Nations and Quebec”
 
ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Because you're very clearly stating that you're not open to hearing someone's opinion.



Anyone who's hard leaning for a party is ultimately in the same boat whether they realize it or not.



No idea what you're talking about.
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Its alot of effort to reply to you. One thing I dont like about discussion politics is it always turns into a matter of opinion even if proof is presented.

Hear others opinions, yes i willing especially with Politics, especailly when its decision makers who we have a chance to elect.

Im not hard leaning any direction, Liberal goverment in BC had a chance to run away with it.

Voting should be like shopping your looking for the best deal not brand loyalty.

As for my Christy comments, I dislike this woman, her views, her morals any integrity she believes she has is lost with the waving of some maple smelling bills.

In closing, I have no idea what your rambling about or what I am rambling about. Your replies are to lengthly. Im not gonna answer 3 different questions, I came here for funny and to complain sometimes and also brag about how big my dick is at certain angles. If youre still reading this good day to you. Its nearing December
 
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