During the Korean conflict, a friend of mine was a telephone lineman. He carried an M1 carbine, until the winter, when "they took away the carbine, and made me lug that damned heavy M1 Garand!" The told him it was because the carbine wouldn't reliably penetrate the heavy quilted winter coats of the Chinese soldiers!
The carbine round is considered close to the .357Mag in power, which is actually a bit of an overstatement. In both rifle and handgun, the .30 Carbine has from 200 to as much as 400 fps lower velocity with the 110gr bullet, than the .357 Mag. Check a reloading manual. .30carbine hits 1900fps, .357 hits 2300fps. Out of a pistol, .30 carbine got one load that broke 1400fps, with a 7.5in bbl. The .357 broke 1700fps from a 6"! This came from an old Speer manual.
To answer your question, yes, the .30 Carbine will penetrate body armor. Very crappy body armor, at very close range. If the vest is rated to stop .357 mag, it will stop .30 Carbine
The carbine round is considered close to the .357Mag in power, which is actually a bit of an overstatement. In both rifle and handgun, the .30 Carbine has from 200 to as much as 400 fps lower velocity with the 110gr bullet, than the .357 Mag. Check a reloading manual. .30carbine hits 1900fps, .357 hits 2300fps. Out of a pistol, .30 carbine got one load that broke 1400fps, with a 7.5in bbl. The .357 broke 1700fps from a 6"! This came from an old Speer manual.
To answer your question, yes, the .30 Carbine will penetrate body armor. Very crappy body armor, at very close range. If the vest is rated to stop .357 mag, it will stop .30 Carbine
Opportunity presented itself and I couldn't pass it up.
Wait... I just did the math...
Was that a 3/5ths reference? If so, Jim was way more racist than you had originally made him out to be.
who said anything about 30 carbine, or ANY carbine? you're lost, this is about 9mm pistols. The Chinese did not have armor for the Korean conflict. They wore quilted silk clothing, vs the severe cold. The Carbine's velocity drops like a rock, cause it's got such a poor shape. It's got 900 ftlbs at the muzzle of a carbine, but much less from a pistol. You'd be lucky to get 115 grs to 1200 fps from any CCW capable 30 carbine revolver and nobody even makes such a revolver, You'd have to have the barrel shortened to 2.5" on a Taurus 30 carbine revolver to get an OAL of 7.5", and it'd still weigh 3.5 lbs. This is about CCW pistols, The 9mm can get 115 grs to 1300 fps in guns that are 7.5" long and weigh just a hair over a lb.
Put these 45 gr loads in a 16" 9mm carbine barrel and you'll see 2400 fps. but there's no reason to bother with them in the carbine. The Corbon 100 gr load is 1600 fps from a carbine. that's plenty of power for the sub 50m distances that such a carbine is good for
Put these 45 gr loads in a 16" 9mm carbine barrel and you'll see 2400 fps. but there's no reason to bother with them in the carbine. The Corbon 100 gr load is 1600 fps from a carbine. that's plenty of power for the sub 50m distances that such a carbine is good for
and that's why you dont know anything that amounts to a fuck.
There's almost no distance from which one can take a shot at an animal's brain and hit it with consistency. If you want to do a little trolling I don't really care, but some of the "advice" you're giving people can get people killed in the real world.
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and you'll automatically have a faster CCW than any man alive can manage from a ccw belt rig. Nobody pays any attention to the fact that you have your hand in your pocket, so it's perfectly discrete and legal. yet it offers by far the fastest, least snag or fumble prone ccw draw possible (IF the piece is in a kydex pocket holster and you dont have any snagging protrusions on it, like the hammer spur of a .38 snub revolver.
and you'll automatically have a faster CCW than any man alive can manage from a ccw belt rig. Nobody pays any attention to the fact that you have your hand in your pocket, so it's perfectly discrete and legal. yet it offers by far the fastest, least snag or fumble prone ccw draw possible (IF the piece is in a kydex pocket holster and you dont have any snagging protrusions on it, like the hammer spur of a .38 snub revolver.
I had to laugh once, when a guy showed me that he carried a smith chief in his front pants pocket, no holster and with the hammer spur still present. He showed me that he could use his thumb to "prevent" snagging. I told him that I could slap his face and be out of range before he could draw and hit me. We set up a test on the range. I smacked him a good one on the shoulder when the timer beeped, and he needed 4 full seconds to draw and hit a torso at a mere 10 ft, starting with his hand alongside of his legl. I showed him that I could be 30m GONE in 4 seconds, and we set him up at 30m, along the line of the moving torso target at the range. He shot at it 5x and never hit it. MAN he was pissed about that and sold the smith the next day, taking a $50 hit on it, in 1977. That would be about $300 in today's money.
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I run a G20 as well as a G29, my first bit of advice would be to get rid of the Lone Wolf barrel. I've used many of them and never had an issue until they sent me one with a tight chamber, good for velocity and bad for everything else. The other thing to focus on is what's giving you the best accuarcy, not the highest velocity. This sounds exactly like my experiance.
I've done all the things that one can possibly do to the Glock 20, in the end I've gone back to a stock Glock 20SF with a reduced grip and RMR cut slide. Unless your running a suppressor and need a threaded barrel then the stock one is excellent. I have yet to have any issues running all of the ammo that your speaking of in stock form out of an Arredondo +5 on a stock mag (even after cycling it). Underwood ammo runs pretty hot and they do use a faster burning powder which tends to be affected by temperature a little more easily, this along with using a tight chambered barrel would give the exact results that you speak of.
I've done all the things that one can possibly do to the Glock 20, in the end I've gone back to a stock Glock 20SF with a reduced grip and RMR cut slide. Unless your running a suppressor and need a threaded barrel then the stock one is excellent. I have yet to have any issues running all of the ammo that your speaking of in stock form out of an Arredondo +5 on a stock mag (even after cycling it). Underwood ammo runs pretty hot and they do use a faster burning powder which tends to be affected by temperature a little more easily, this along with using a tight chambered barrel would give the exact results that you speak of.
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you're on the wrong thread, dude. Nobody here is talking aboiut glocks or 10mm
So I have been slowly working up to find the maximum powder charge of the above components in MY G20. I do not intend to shoot the maximum all the time if even ever, I just want to know where it's at. The only reason I am sharing is to give others, with the same components, an idea of where their maximum load might end up if they should choose to try to find it.
My max load ended up at 12.0gr. The brass looked fine at 12.0, but I shot 4 rounds of 12.2 yesterday and one of them gave me a good smile. The other 3 had hints of wanting to smile, but all 4 showed the primers starting to flatten. I am confident the worst one could not have been more then 0.05 different then the rest, so I am going to play it safe and say I'm done.
My max load ended up at 12.0gr. The brass looked fine at 12.0, but I shot 4 rounds of 12.2 yesterday and one of them gave me a good smile. The other 3 had hints of wanting to smile, but all 4 showed the primers starting to flatten. I am confident the worst one could not have been more then 0.05 different then the rest, so I am going to play it safe and say I'm done.
then you're a twit who's not worth saving.
