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RussfromNH

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Biden has bragged about all of this He has bragged about it! He’s bragged about basically extorting the government of Ukraine for the benefit of his son — and he has protected the company his son was working for, Burisma.

Now, Biden has said over the course of the years that he’s never talked to his son about any of this.


View: https://youtu.be/Q0_AqpdwqK4


he’s bragged about the story. The story’s all over YouTube and elsewhere because of the comments he’s made about it at the Council on Foreign Relations. He has bragged about getting the prosecutor fired, bragged about having the prosecutor call Obama if he didn’t believe Biden.
 

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Biden has bragged about all of this He has bragged about it! He’s bragged about basically extorting the government of Ukraine for the benefit of his son — and he has protected the company his son was working for, Burisma.

Now, Biden has said over the course of the years that he’s never talked to his son about any of this.


View: https://youtu.be/Q0_AqpdwqK4


he’s bragged about the story. The story’s all over YouTube and elsewhere because of the comments he’s made about it at the Council on Foreign Relations. He has bragged about getting the prosecutor fired, bragged about having the prosecutor call Obama if he didn’t believe Biden.
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While I admittedly haven't been looking into it, this doesn't smell of news but of the typical smear campaign before the election. E-mail bombshells again? Uhuh.
Can you be sure this is completely true, and thus is fact news with simply odd timing?

Pushing a fabricated story can be interference just as much as not pushing a real story is.
But as you eluded to, in this day and age, who knows.
Forget the Twitter part of the equation for a second... Why is the Post not including more info that can be verified? Headers of emails removed, etc etc... I'm not even saying that it isn't true. I wouldn't be shocked at all to find out that it's 100% fact. But even the Post is running their article in a sketchy way making it harder to believe.
 

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Forget the Twitter part of the equation for a second... Why is the Post not including more info that can be verified? Headers of emails removed, etc etc... I'm not even saying that it isn't true. I wouldn't be shocked at all to find out that it's 100% fact. But even the Post is running their article in a sketchy way making it harder to believe.
Emails and header information is very easily manipulated, and the lay person isn't going to know the difference.
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There's no doubt that hunter biden leveraged his last name for business gains.

But there's also no doubt that a great majority of the Biden a accusations regarding hunter are out of context trolling. There's such a gish gallop going on since 2018 regarding fake smears that it becomes exhausting going back to see if the new stuff is anything new or the same rehash nothing burger from the midterms. And maybe that's the point. Overwhelming noise until it's "true".

So instead of posting about twitter censoring "truth", can we get some specifics? This isn't twitter. Post away.
 
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. He has bragged about getting the prosecutor fired, bragged about having the prosecutor call Obama if he didn’t believe Biden.
Yeah that was national policy. This was well documented during the midterms when this was an attempted nothing burger. The United States had funding and the prosecutor in question was protecting a number of corrupt individuals. United States policy through Obama ambassadors and others was that said prosecutor had to go as part of the reforms if we're going to keep funding their democracy attempts.
That specific action has been recontextualized and distorted. Biden did not fire or enact a removal of a prosecutor on his own. It was the United States national policy through multiple departments including the State department and the executive branch.
 

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Emails and header information is very easily manipulated, and the lay person isn't going to know the difference.
Here's one of my "etc"... Why not find out when the meeting happened? Biden's timeline is public record and would be easily verified by someone that actually cared to find out if things lined up.

Or am I missing that part because I'm exhausted by all of the shit?
 

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Here's one of my "etc"... Why not find out when the meeting happened? Biden's timeline is public record and would be easily verified by someone that actually cared to find out if things lined up.

Or am I missing that part because I'm exhausted by all of the shit?
They said his official schedule shows nothing. I haven't seen it.
 

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Yeah that was national policy. This was well documented during the midterms when this was an attempted nothing burger. The United States had funding and the prosecutor in question was protecting a number of corrupt individuals. United States policy through Obama ambassadors and others was that said prosecutor had to go as part of the reforms if we're going to keep funding their democracy attempts.
That specific action has been recontextualized and distorted. Biden did not fire or enact a removal of a prosecutor on his own. It was the United States national policy through multiple departments including the State department and the executive branch.
No no no! Strictly that crack smoking fornicator, Hunter Biden and his pappy scheming! Lock them up! Lock them up!
 
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No no no! Strictly that crack smoking fornicator, Hunter Biden and his pappy scheming! Lock them up! Lock them up!

Here is the bullshit story being promoted:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY


This is pure politicking and falsehood.

Who was Viktor Shokin:


Shokin was appointed Prosecutor General of Ukraine on 10 February 2015, replacing Vitaly Yarema.[4] He was a controversial appointee due to his perceived role in blocking prosecutions against those accused of shooting demonstrators in the 2014 Ukrainian revolution.[5] As Prosecutor General, he was accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and hindering the fight against corruption in Ukraine.[6]

In early April 2015, Shokin stated that the General Prosecutor Ukraine (GPU) files about criminal orders from former General Prosecutor Viktor Pshonka[a] had disappeared, along with Pshonka's secret casework and secret materials. Shokin stated, "I will tell you more: not only criminal cases, but secret materials are missing - secret casework. Including, as far as Victor Pshonka's orders were concerned." (Russian: Виктор Шокин: "Я вам больше скажу: пропали не только уголовные дела, но секретные материалы – секретное делопроизводство. В том числе, то, что касалось распоряжений Виктора Пшонки.").[12][13][14]

Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held.[15][16][17] On 2 November 2015, there was an assassination attempt against him when an unidentified sniper fired three shots into his office, but was foiled by the bulletproof glass window.[18] In response to a query from Ukrainian News Agency in late 2019, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) acknowledged that it is continuing to investigate the attempted assassination of Shokin.[19]

Through 2015 and early 2016, domestic and international pressure (including from the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD) built for Shokin to be removed from office. The Obama administration withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees to pressure the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin from office. [20][21][22]Viktor Shokin - Wikipedia His defenders nonetheless argued that he played an important role "balancing competing political interests".[24] His Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, announced his resignation on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office.[25]

On 16 February 2016, Shokin submitted a letter of resignation,[26] although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated, "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave".[27] On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin.[28]

On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work.[4] On the same day, his office carried out a raid against one of Ukraine's leading anti-corruption groups, the Anti-Corruption Action Center (AntAC), claiming that it had misappropriated aid money.[17] AntAC was a frequent critic of the Prosecutor General's Office under Shokin.[29] In one notorious case, two of Shokin's prosecutors were caught with stashes of diamonds, cash and valuables in their homes, likely indicating bribery. Prosecutors from another department of Shokin's office were fired or reassigned when they attempted to bring a prosecution against the so-called "diamond prosecutors".[30]

On 28 March, protesters called for Shokin's firing, after his office was authorized by a Kiev court to investigate AntAC.[17][31] Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016
Basically Shokin is the old guard after the revolution and incompatible with reforms. EU And US state the will help fund institutions in Ukraine but he and others have to go as they aren't handing over a billion dollars with that going on. Nothing to do with Biden.

Biden's "bragging" has to do with him enacting this broadly supported multiyear push by the US and EU that includes getting rid of this guy. Has nothing to do with hunter biden.

When it became apparent that Biden would run for President, Trump and others looked to distort this.




A court ruling in Ukraine has forced state investigators to open a probe into alleged pressure by then-vice president Joe Biden that led to the 2016 dismissal of Viktor Shokin as the country’s prosecutor general, officials said Thursday.

President Trump last year pressed Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky for an investigation of this kind, leading to Trump’s impeachment by the House and his eventual acquittal in a Senate trial.

Shokin’s firing, however, was not a unilateral action directed by Biden. It was prompted by a push for anti-corruption reforms developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

Shokin’s lawyer, Oleksandr Teleshetsky, said the probe was launched in response to a court order, after an appeal for action by Shokin. The State Bureau of Investigations confirmed a case was opened.

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Trump and his allies have put intense pressure on Zelensky’s administration to open investigations into Joe Biden, and his son Hunter Biden who sat on the board of a Ukrainian gas company Burisma.

Who was on Rudy Giuliani’s list in Ukraine and why

From late 2018 Shokin met with Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, as Giuliani sought political dirt on the Bidens. Shokin has long been angered by what he sees as an unfair dismissal following foreign pressure.

Shokin has claimed he was pushed out by Biden because he tried to launch a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma. In fact, Ukrainian investigations into Burisma related to the period before Hunter Biden joined the board.

“They need to investigate this. They have no other alternative. They are required to do this by the decision of the court. If they don't, then they violate a whole string of procedural norms,” Teleshetsky said in an interview.

More than that, those being roped into believing this distorted view of history that was clear only a few years ago, should be disgusted that our president straight manipulated the whole thing, undermining Ukrainian reforms for his own power ambitions:


The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can assure you.
The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I'm knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to us, it would be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.
The President: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.


And once again, here's 2019 rehashed and debunked. The standard response will be "maybe its a different admin and that's why Trump wants a different policy" etc etc. Except Trump needed a non governmental Rudy Giuliani (as in his transcript above) running a shadow campaign outside of congress, the state department, and the executive.

TLDR: Biden enacted the will of the president, congress, the state department, and allies in the EU in demanding the resignation of a corrupt prosecutor before releasing US funds. Distorting this is pure political opposition and in fact resulted in Trump himself authorizing a person who is not in government, who does not have a security clearance, to undermine US policy in an attempt to manufacture dirt on Joe Biden. Trump nearly always does himself, what he's accusing others of doing.

If anyone has something new, post it. But come correct on this one. This is 2018 rehash.
 

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Here is the bullshit story being promoted:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY


This is pure politicking and falsehood.

Who was Viktor Shokin:




Basically Shokin is the old guard after the revolution and incompatible with reforms. EU And US state the will help fund institutions in Ukraine but he and others have to go as they aren't handing over a billion dollars with that going on. Nothing to do with Biden.

Biden's "bragging" has to do with him enacting this broadly supported multiyear push by the US and EU that includes getting rid of this guy. Has nothing to do with hunter biden.

When it became apparent that Biden would run for President, Trump and others looked to distort this.







More than that, those being roped into believing this distorted view of history that was clear only a few years ago, should be disgusted that our president straight manipulated the whole thing, undermining Ukrainian reforms for his own power ambitions:






And once again, here's 2018 rehashed and debunked. The standard response will be "maybe its a different admin and that's why Trump wants a different policy" etc etc. Except Trump needed a non governmental Rudy Giuliani (as in his transcript above) running a shadow campaign outside of congress, the state department, and the executive.

TLDR: Biden enacted the will of the president, congress, the state department, and allies in the EU in demanding the resignation of a corrupt prosecutor before releasing US funds. Distorting this is pure political opposition and in fact resulted in Trump himself authorizing a person who is not in government, who does not have a security clearance, to undermine US policy in an attempt to manufacture dirt on Joe Biden. Trump nearly always does himself, what he's accusing others of doing.

If anyone has something new, post it. But come correct on this one. This is 2018 rehash.
BUT HER EMAILS!!!!!
 
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BUT HER EMAILS!!!!!
I'm a former Trump voter, military member, top 1% earner, white cis male, gun owner, Texan who has held office in local Republican parties.

I'm off the Trump train.

I'll be voting against Trump this go around and I don't love the Dems. But I'm done with this silly nonsense where we keep promoting misinformation and glossing over the very real history that is only one year old where Trump himself undermines American governmental institutions for his own gain while accusing others of the same.
 

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While I admittedly haven't been looking into it, this doesn't smell of news but of the typical smear campaign before the election. E-mail bombshells again? Uhuh.
Can you be sure this is completely true, and thus is fact news with simply odd timing?

Pushing a fabricated story can be interference just as much as not pushing a real story is.
But as you eluded to, in this day and age, who knows.
The timing isn't odd. I'm sure it was sat on until it could do the most damage. Ethical? Probably not - but that's politics.

Unless they are forged, the emails are damaging. Proof that Biden and his family took money for political favors.

The pictures of Hunter don't concern me that much and releasing them is a dirty tactic I don't care for. Although those pictures could be used as extortion against a protective father, so I guess they are relevant depending on who has them.

Certain media outlets and social networking companies attempting to silence the report is very concerning. That's China-level censorship.

I just now scanned through msn's headlines for the day. Not a peep. If the situation was reversed and it was Trump that got busted with his hand in the cookie jar I guarantee you that would be all they were covering.

It's bullshit.
And it's dangerous.
 

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The timing isn't odd. I'm sure it was sat on until it could do the most damage. Ethical? Probably not - but that's politics.

Unless they are forged, the emails are damaging. Proof that Biden and his family took money for political favors.

The pictures of Hunter don't concern me that much and releasing them is a dirty tactic I don't care for. Although those pictures could be used as extortion against a protective father, so I guess they are relevant depending on who has them.

Certain media outlets and social networking companies attempting to silence the report is very concerning. That's China-level censorship.

I just now scanned through msn's headlines for the day. Not a peep. If the situation was reversed and it was Trump that got busted with his hand in the cookie jar I guarantee you that would be all they were covering.

It's bullshit.
And it's dangerous.
Emails are easily forged and most lay people couldn't tell the difference as they have no clue what they are looking at.

Hell I could send you an email from my personal account and manipulate the header information to make it look like it came from whomever I want.
 
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Unless they are forged, the emails are damaging. Proof that Biden and his family took money for political favors.
I'm reading through it now.

NY post continues implication that Biden pushed prosecutor firing for nefarious reasons. I don't see new evidence there.

Burisma was investigated before Hunter Biden joined the board. Shokin only made accusations that he was investigating due to Biden after he was removed.

It's clear that the locals wanted Hunter Biden for his presumed connections in Washington. I think we are all on the same page here. Famous linked people get on boards for these reasons (take a look at the idiocy of Theranos in the news right now and who was on that board...it was all just for connections in hopes of future contracts).

What do you see in the NY post emails that leads you to believe Joe Biden took money for political favors?
 

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Emails are easily forged and most lay people couldn't tell the difference as they have no clue what they are looking at.

Hell I could send you an email from my personal account and manipulate the header information to make it look like it came from whomever I want.
Completely agree.
 

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I'm reading through it now.

NY post continues implication that Biden pushed prosecutor firing for nefarious reasons. I don't see new evidence there.

Burisma was investigated before Hunter Biden joined the board. Shokin only made accusations that he was investigating due to Biden after he was removed.

It's clear that the locals wanted Hunter Biden for his presumed connections in Washington. I think we are all on the same page here. Famous linked people get on boards for these reasons (take a look at the idiocy of Theranos in the news right now and who was on that board...it was all just for connections in hopes of future contracts).

What do you see in the NY post emails that leads you to believe Joe Biden took money for political favors?
Haven't read them. I listen to Fox Business on my way to work and Rudy G was reading them. (Yeah, yeah - I know). But if what he was reading was accurate and authentic, it certainly sounded like agreements were made and money changed hands.

And yes, I realize Fox is just as bad as CNN when it comes to partisan reporting.

Also yes, I know Trump is also a dirtbag.
 

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Donald Trump Praises Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-Un Over Joe Biden: 'These People Are Sharp'
“One thing I've learnt, President XI of China's one hundred percent. Putin of Russia, 100 percent," he said, pointing to his head as he praised the mental acuity of the strongman leaders.
He continued: "Kim Jong Un—by the way what happened to that war we were supposed to be in? Kim Jong Unof North Korea—100 percent,"
 
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Haven't read them. I listen to Fox Business on my way to work and Rudy G was reading them. (Yeah, yeah - I know). But if what he was reading was accurate and authentic, it certainly sounded like agreements were made and money changed hands.

And yes, I realize Fox is just as bad as CNN when it comes to partisan reporting.
Take a look when you have time and let me know what you see. I'm looking at the NY post website itself but they've chopped things into multiple stories for "maximum effect" or whatever. I'm not sure we are talking the same language. The first post I'm reading is about Ukraine and is unimpressive. The fact that so much of what they posted in that one was debunked before makes me suspicious.


I'm now reading this one which is about China:
 

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Take a look when you have time and let me know what you see. I'm looking at the NY post website itself but they've chopped things into multiple stories for "maximum effect" or whatever. I'm not sure we are talking the same language. The first post I'm reading is about Ukraine and is unimpressive. The fact that so much of what they posted in that one was debunked before makes me suspicious.


I'm now reading this one which is about China:
When I get a chance I'll comb through them.
I also don't think they are done releasing info. This is the same tactic the GOP used in 2016 with the emails. Small bits released each day.
 

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