Election protests in 7 cities right now

CNN is fucking shameful with their race baiting bullshit, trying to brainwash people and divide this country.

Did you hear what Al Sharpton was babbling about on MSNBC? Why people continue to give him a microphone is beyond me.

At 2:00 - "He (Trump) knew exactly what he was doing...and he was playing to the worst elements."
At 2:45 - "This man is going to be president. And all that many of us have fought for all our life is at stake and we aren't going down without a fight."

What in the hell is he talking about?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJPHudsCs1M&feature=youtu.be
 
They should've protested like that when Bernie got castrated by the democratic party, then they probably would've been looking at a win right now. But zero outrage about that. Zero protests. And there you have it.
 
Did you hear what Al Sharpton was babbling about on MSNBC? Why people continue to give him a microphone is beyond me.

At 2:00 - "He (Trump) knew exactly what he was doing...and he was playing to the worst elements."
At 2:45 - "This man is going to be president. And all that many of us have fought for all our life is at stake and we aren't going down without a fight."

What in the hell is he talking about?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJPHudsCs1M&feature=youtu.be


I have an opinion but it's probably best if I keep it to myself.
 
This man is going to be president. And all that many of us have fought for all our life is at stake and we aren't going down without a fight."


There's an interesting irony in which Trump critics state that his supporters made him into a slate to apply their wishes and dreams to him.

So which is it guys? Trump has no specifics and I'm an idiot? Or he was very specific?

But you can't have both.
 
There's an interesting irony in which Trump critics state that his supporters made him into a slate to apply their wishes and dreams to him.

So which is it guys? Trump has no specifics and I'm an idiot? Or he was very specific?

But you can't have both.
Do you reeeeally want to just toss that out there?

I mean it's right over the plate, no heat. 😀
 
Do you reeeeally want to just toss that out there?

I mean it's right over the plate, no heat. 😀
Lol

It would be the least offensive thing I've been called in a year. It would also be the easiest opening in that time period to shut it down with a ferocity.

Sometimes I know exactly what I'm doing 😉
 
I'm not going to take the time to address the ignorant posts on this thread about protesting. If you don't get it, read the Constitution.

But one thing worth pointing out is very few of the protesters are pro Hillary at all. In fact, last night Hillary's name didn't come up once. The protests were purely a repudiation of Trump's rhetoric and several of the policies he has given tacit approval to that people feel endanger them. Not to mention the sense that it's all just goofy talk. My biggest problem with this campaign is how many people are just willing to write that kind of stuff off as harmless when it really has no place in a national discourse being uttered by our incoming President. Conflating the sentiment that that's a horrible backward step with any kind of affinity to a party or candidate is seriously missing the point.

The disappointment stems from seeing how many people think it's no big deal, but honestly that outrage comes way too late. It should have come during the primaries and well before he even made it to the final contest. Not taking him seriously was an error that people made for way too long and the media and part of America basically rebuked that notion on election day. But now all of a sudden, his supporters are telling us to do exactly that. Everyone is taking him seriously now and they're making their displeasure known. The idea that there's something wrong with that feeds into all the anxieties political scientists have had about submission to authority and the blind faith of populism. Whether he pulls the trigger on some of his more outlandish ideas is besides the point. That there's a normalization of these ideas at the top has a psychic cost on the perception of our nation, both at home and abroad.
 
A sharp assessment of the current situation from a leading light of the anti war faction of the very politically diverse anti Hillary movement Justin Raimondo:


Trump’s Revolution

Now beware the counter-revolution

by Justin Raimondo, November 09, 2016

Trump's Revolution - Antiwar.com Original

Donald Trump has done the unthinkable – unthinkable, that is, to the sneering elites: the “journalists” who have been spending their days snarking at Trump on Twitter, the DC mandarins who disdained him from the beginning, and the foreign policy “experts” who gasped in horror as he challenged the basic premises of the post-World War II international order. And he did it by overcoming a host of the most powerful enemies one could conjure: The Republican Establishment, the Democratic party machine, the Money Power, and a media united in their hatred of him.

That this is a revolution is a bit of an understatement: revolutions are usually national in scope. This is an earthquake that will shake the whole world.

The United States is a global empire, and from the Korean peninsula to the Baltic states, our protectorates are quavering in panic that the system they’ve depended on for over half a century is about to come down. During the election, America’s client states all but formally endorsed Hillary Clinton, and expressed their unmitigated horror at the prospect of a Trump presidency. After all, the GOP candidate pledged to make our allies start paying their own way, a possibility that naturally fills them with dread. And Trump committed the biggest heresy of all by not only openly questioning the continued existence of NATO, but also by asking “Wouldn’t it be nice if we could get along with Russia?”

The Clinton campaign’s response was to do what no presidential candidate has done since the earliest days of the Republic: they accused Trump of being a Russian “puppet.” Former CIA director Mike Morrell, in endorsing Clinton, wrote that Trump is “an unconscious agent” of the Kremlin. In the hothouse atmosphere of Washington, D.C., this was not only acceptable: it was the conventional wisdom. Indeed, it no doubt still is. However, out in the real world, it fell flat: no normal American believed that for a minute. Endless articles appeared in the media, linking Trump to the Kremlin: a major piece of “evidence” for the “puppet” theory is that the Trump people pushed to keep a plank calling for arming Ukraine out of the Republican party platform. What the new McCarthyites didn’t understand, however, is that nobody cares about Ukraine, as polls consistently show.

The political class is reeling: how could this have happened?

We’ll doubtless be subjected to endless essays on the subject of who or what is to “blame” for Trump: FBI Director James Comey? The “alt right”? WikiLeaks? Putin?

Their problem is that these people live in a bubble: the conservative writer Mollie Hemingway tweeted the night of the election that “ I was at a small DC dinner several weeks ago where several people said they knew not a single Trump supporter. I was like, ‘I know 100s.’” This evokes the famous Pauline Kael quote, who is reputed to have responded to Richard Nixon’s 1972 landslide victory by saying: “I don’t know how Nixon won. I don’t know anybody who voted for him.” Actually, the acerbic film critic didn’t say that, exactly. What she really said was far more telling:

“I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them.”

This puts it succinctly: the inhabitants of the “special world” of the political class — self-satisfied pundits, self-serving politicians, avaricious hedge fund managers, arrogant academics, less-than-thoughtful thinktankers, politically correct scolds, neoconservative warmongers – couldn’t imagine a world in which Donald Trump could win the White House. They laughed at him when he announced, they sneered at him even as he was winning the primaries, and they unleashed more venom than an army of rattlesnakes when he won the Republican nomination, even as they claimed he was headed for a Goldwater-like defeat. The American ruling class lives in a world entirely separate from that of their subjects: even as the peasants with pitchforks gathered in the shadow of the castle, they never saw the Trumpian revolution coming.

In short, they have no idea why he won because they live on a different planet than the rest of us. And yet the reason for his victory is very simple, and it’s no secret. He stated it clearly and succinctly in a remarkable television ad in the final days of the campaign.


View: https://youtu.be/vST61W4bGm8


Trump understands that, as I put it in my last column, “The main issue in the world today is globalism versus national sovereignty, and it is playing out in the politics of countries on every continent.” A transnational ruling elite, the types who flock to Davos every year, has arisen that believes it has the right to manipulate the peoples of the world like pawns on a chessboard. These lords of creation engage in “regime change” when a government they don’t like challenges their imperial prerogatives: they move entire populations around as if they were human dust – they manipulate currencies, “manage” the world economy — and woe to those who challenge their rule!

And the epicenter of this global ruling elite is located in Washington, D.C., with the White House as the inner sanctum of the whole rotten system. And now that Fortress of Power has been breached. Thus, the panic of the elites.

Trump rode into office promising that “we’ll get along with everybody” who wants peace with the United States, as he said in his victory speech. He campaigned on a platform of “America First” that his enemies derided as “isolationist” and which was, in reality, simply the foreign policy of the Founders of this country. While his stance on immigration provoked a lot of hostility, I would argue that the real reason for the sheer hatred directed at him by both parties is his foreign policy views – especially his radical condemnation of the Iraq war, in which he not only rightly denounced it as a disaster but also said that we were lied into that war. And he sent a message to the neoconservative authors of that war in his April foreign policy speech sponsored by The National Interest magazine. In outlining a new foreign policy vision for this country, he said:

“I will also look for talented experts with new approaches, and practical ideas, rather than surrounding myself with those who have perfect résumés but very little to brag about except responsibility for a long history of failed policies and continued losses at war.’”

As I put it in my column on the subject: “Here he is openly telling the neocons, who have inveigled themselves into every administration since the days of Ronald Reagan, that they will be kicked to the curb if and when he takes the White House.”

Which brings me to an important point: we must hold Trump’s feet to the fire on this pledge. This is the task of those anti-interventionists who supported him – and there are many – as well as those who stood aside. Let our battle cry be heard: no more neocons!

Trump has said that NATO is “obsolete” – and let’s hold him to that evaluation, and its clear implications. The Soviet Union has been dead since 1989. It’s time to put NATO in mothballs.

Trump has said Japan and Korea must start providing for their own defense: let’s hold him to that one, too. It’s high time to pull US troops out of South Korea, where they are sitting ducks, and out of Japan as well. The Korean war is over: so is World War II. These countries are wealthy, as Trump has repeatedly pointed out: let them defend themselves.

The Saudis depend on us for their defense: we send them weapons, we train their troops, while they fund terrorism and run one of the nastiest regimes on earth. They’re filthy rich, as Trump has remarked many times: it’s time to cut them loose, too.

In short, it’s time to pressure the new President to keep his promises. Because you can be sure, as the sun rises in the West, that the War Party will try to co-opt the new administration, and do everything in their power to make sure that they retain their hegemony over US foreign policy.

We can’t let that happen.

Trump is sincere, but he’s only one man – yes, he’s the President, but even the chief executive of the United States runs up against limitations; I’m talking about not only political limitations but also the power of the “deep State” – the permanent national security bureaucracy that guards it power and agenda jealously. President Trump cannot stand alone against these powerful forces: he needs a mass movement to stand behind him and, if necessary, push him in the right direction.

This is a great victory for our cause, and I can’t help but feel elated. Yet our job won’t get any easier: indeed, in many ways it will get harder. We are up against an enemy that will fight tooth and nail to retain its dominance, and who will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. We must be as determined to stop them as they are to resist the revolutionary wave that is lapping at their feet.

Yes, the revolution has arrived. But this is no time for complacency. Quite the contrary: we must be prepared for the counter-revolutionary reaction that is already setting in. We must ready ourselves to fight – and win.
 
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Whether he pulls the trigger on some of his more outlandish ideas is besides the point. That there's a normalization of these ideas at the top has a psychic cost on the perception of our nation, both at home and abroad.

What outlandish ideas though? That's what I don't understand. Proper vetting of refugees from middle eastern countries & building safe zones in those countries where they can live until properly vetted? Enforcement of illegal immigration laws that are already on the books? Building a wall to help reduce illegal immigration and drug trafficking? Repealing Obamacare? Renegotiating NAFTA and not signing TPP? Eliminating common core? Reducing unnecessary regulations? Simplifying the tax code? Imposing tariffs on companies that want to lay off thousands here and go to China and Mexico? Lowering taxes on the businesses, so more will start up & stay here - which will create jobs?

None of that sounds outlandish to me at all.
 
What outlandish ideas though? That's what I don't understand. Proper vetting of refugees from middle eastern countries & building safe zones in those countries where they can live until properly vetted? Enforcement of illegal immigration laws that are already on the books? Building a wall to help reduce illegal immigration and drug trafficking? Repealing Obamacare? Renegotiating NAFTA and not signing TPP? Eliminating common core? Reducing unnecessary regulations? Simplifying the tax code? Imposing tariffs on companies that want to lay off thousands here and go to China and Mexico? Lowering taxes on the businesses, so more will start up & stay here - which will create jobs?

None of that sounds outlandish to me at all.

Not going to war with Russia?
 
Reminds me of the unrest in Thailand a couple of years back. Next time I hear a merkan refer to Thailand as third world I might be forced to correct them. Non violently of course.
Thailand is better in nearly every way than America.
 
What outlandish ideas though? That's what I don't understand. Proper vetting of refugees from middle eastern countries & building safe zones in those countries where they can live until properly vetted? Enforcement of illegal immigration laws that are already on the books? Building a wall to help reduce illegal immigration and drug trafficking? Repealing Obamacare? Renegotiating NAFTA and not signing TPP? Eliminating common core? Reducing unnecessary regulations? Simplifying the tax code? Imposing tariffs on companies that want to lay off thousands here and go to China and Mexico? Lowering taxes on the businesses, so more will start up & stay here - which will create jobs?

None of that sounds outlandish to me at all.

Little Wild went from a guy who lurked the Trump thread here and there and only posted negatives. Then he slowly warmed up after he had a little taste of the meme magic. Now he's here debating for Trump.

Well done lad. Proud of you.
 
This is what I was referring to.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeXW1FA4frY


Sorry but that's ridiculous. The American public said they were tired of the corruption in Washington, and voted accordingly. To insinuate Trump was elected because of racism infuriates me.


When you can't attack the man's policies you resort to name calling (usually things like racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc). It's one of the oldest tricks in the politicians playbook.
 
These protests seem like prefabricated Soros/DNC operations anyway. Fleets of buses have been photographed parked nearby in some cities.
 
What outlandish ideas though? That's what I don't understand. Proper vetting of refugees from middle eastern countries & building safe zones in those countries where they can live until properly vetted? Enforcement of illegal immigration laws that are already on the books? Building a wall to help reduce illegal immigration and drug trafficking? Repealing Obamacare? Renegotiating NAFTA and not signing TPP? Eliminating common core? Reducing unnecessary regulations? Simplifying the tax code? Imposing tariffs on companies that want to lay off thousands here and go to China and Mexico? Lowering taxes on the businesses, so more will start up & stay here - which will create jobs?

None of that sounds outlandish to me at all.

Banning travel to the US on the basis of religion.

Killing children and families of enemy combatants.

Characterizing Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists

Creating a database of all Muslim citizens.

Bringing back torture.

Changing libel laws to make it easier to sue the media.

Deporting people brought to this country as children and canceling any pathway to citizenship.

Canceling visas from countries that won't take back residents targeted under his deportation plan.

Restoring or appointing judges who support stop and frisk.

Abandoning defense accords with Japan and South Korea in favor of supporting nuclear armament of both.

Moving the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

Cancelling the Paris Climate accords.

Increasing mass surveillance programs.

Committing ground troops to fight ISIS.
 
And this kind of shit...

Jill Stein - Donald Trump Wants to Bar Muslims, Hillary Clinton Wants to Bomb Them


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yzN_8bzLFE


Trump doesn't want to "bar Muslims". He wants extreme vetting of anyone wanting to enter the US from countries known to harbor Radical Islamic Terrorists, and set up safe zones in these countries where people can live until that process is completed. Now, if people want to debate, or complain, that this process may take too long. Okay. But at the end of the day, however long it takes, is however long it takes. The safety of the American public should be priority #1...not allowing whoever turns in paperwork to enter this country without being fully vetted. America first, sorry.
 
Banning travel to the US on the basis of religion.

Killing children and families of enemy combatants.

Characterizing Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists

Creating a database of all Muslim citizens.

Bringing back torture.

Changing libel laws to make it easier to sue the media.

Deporting people brought to this country as children and canceling any pathway to citizenship.

Canceling visas from countries that won't take back residents targeted under his deportation plan.

Restoring or appointing judges who support stop and frisk.

Abandoning defense accords with Japan and South Korea in favor of supporting nuclear armament of both.

Moving the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

Cancelling the Paris Climate accords.

Increasing mass surveillance programs.

Committing ground troops to fight ISIS.

It's going to take me a minute to respond to all of that, but at first glance, some of those are either exaggerated or absurd....like characterizing Mexicans as criminal and rapists. He was clear that there is a % of illegal immigrants coming from Mexico that are criminals and rapists. And there have been recent arrests that back up his position. Not all but some...and at the end of the day, they're illegals. Even the one's that come here with good intentions and clean backgrounds, are taking jobs from citizens and immigrants that went thru the process of citizenship.

I respect the shit out of you, and think you're a highly intelligent individual my man...but we disagree on plenty when it comes to this subject. And that's cool. No hard feelings on my end. Hope you feel the same.
 
This is what I was referring to.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeXW1FA4frY


Sorry but that's ridiculous. The American public said they were tired of the corruption in Washington, and voted accordingly. To insinuate Trump was elected because of racism infuriates me.

My neighbor is a racist. He clearly stated to me that was the reason he was voting for trump. He wants Latinos out of our country. I do not believe that is a singular isolated incedent either.

However, that doesn't mean it was everyone's motivation who voted for him. Still, it's shitty company to be in imo.
 
Not to mention the sense that it's all just goofy talk.
Whether he pulls the trigger on some of his more outlandish ideas is besides the point. That there's a normalization of these ideas at the top has a psychic cost on the perception of our nation, both at home and abroad.
Everyone is taking him seriously now
I hear you, but...

Goofy, outlandish, serious.

If you believe that Trump has grabbed certain popular items as a platform, then to use those words is to dismiss a huge portion of the population as having outlandish and goofy fears and desires. That's how people are going to hear and read your words.

I don't actually think most protesting are still listening to this majority of Trump voters. They're fixated on a combination of fringe population as well as what they perceive to be an actual threat to themselves. I get that. Self and family first.



Protest, go ahead. But then tell everybody being interviewed at these protests media to shut the fuck up about how it was an illegitimate win, this was white Americas payback, etc.


98% of Black America voted Obama. 50% of white voters voted Trump. And it's "whitelash" ?? White Obama voters gave PA to Trump for gods sake. I know you didnt say that, but goofy talk falls right in line with this sort of blocking and dismissing.


I am doing my very best to keep an open mind while having any thoughts disregarded as just white revenge and illegitimate.

50% of America is against abortion. And even higher percentage is ok with a number of restrictions on abortion. You had a candidate nationally accept any abortion up to and including one minute before natural birth would have occurred. I'm supposed to have a calm cool rational discussion about how that is a needed sacrifice for precedent, but Trump suggestions are outlandish or goofy talk?

When everybody is done venting their anger, let's get to talking about immigration solutions that don't involve mass amnesty, gun laws that don't look to overturn DC vs Heller, solutions to Syria that don't involve brinkmanship with Russia ( this latter one I really want you to read. The words you hear from Trump that might result in a personal threat is what I heard from Hillary.), healthcare solutions that dont ignore that protest of so many.


You cautioned me about referring to someone or their thoughts as "crazy" because it dismisses and trivializes others ideas, rather than having a discussion. Believe it or not I actually took that to heart and tried to start practicing it in my life. All because some internet stranger mentioned it one time.

The protests are charged with a tone that all of these concerns are lumped together and some sort of white Revenge with illegitimacy. It feels like being called crazy Goofy and outlandish all the time.


Just an explanation. I am paying attention to what you're saying and want those protesting to feel acknowledged.
 
Lol

It would be the least offensive thing I've been called in a year. It would also be the easiest opening in that time period to shut it down with a ferocity.

Sometimes I know exactly what I'm doing 😉
Planning on rushing the dugout are we? 😀
 
You cautioned me about referring to someone or their thoughts as "crazy" because it dismisses and trivializes others ideas, rather than having a discussion. Believe it or not I actually took that to heart and tried to start practicing it in my life. All because some internet stranger mentioned it one time.
*friendly af*
 
My neighbor is a racist. He clearly stated to me that was the reason he was voting for trump. He wants Latinos out of our country. I do not believe that is a singular isolated incedent either.

However, that doesn't mean it was everyone's motivation who voted for him. Still, it's shitty company to be in imo.

True, and maybe there was 1 or 2 or 5% of the population who voted for Trump because they feel the same as your neighbor...but it still is a small minority, and I'd prefer CNN & others stop lumping all whites into this group. Also, there's racism in all races but somehow whites are the only one's that tend to get tagged with the label. Think there weren't minorities and African Americans that voted for Obama because they wanted to "stick it to white America"? No one wants to talk about that, but it's naive to think there wasn't some who voted for Obama for that very reason. It goes both ways, but do I believe Obama was elected solely due to racist minorities? Hell no. And I don't believe Trump was elected because of racist whites either. The entire discussion is ridiculous. Trump got elected because America is tired of corruption in DC, lobbyists and donors running this country, Obamacare, losing their jobs because of businesses leaving, losing their jobs to illegal immigrants, etc....AND because Hillary was just that damn untrustworthy.
 
I hear you, but...

Goofy, outlandish, serious.

If you believe that Trump has grabbed certain popular items as a platform, then to use those words is to dismiss a huge portion of the population as having outlandish and goofy fears and desires. That's how people are going to hear and read your words.

I don't actually think most protesting are still listening to this majority of Trump voters. They're fixated on a combination of fringe population as well as what they perceive to be an actual threat to themselves. I get that. Self and family first.



Protest, go ahead. But then tell everybody being interviewed at these protests media to shut the fuck up about how it was an illegitimate win, this was white Americas payback, etc.


98% of Black America voted Obama. 50% of white voters voted Trump. And it's "whitelash" ?? White Obama voters gave PA to Trump for gods sake. I know you didnt say that, but goofy talk falls right in line with this sort of blocking and dismissing.


I am doing my very best to keep an open mind while having any thoughts disregarded as just white revenge and illegitimate.

50% of America is against abortion. And even higher percentage is ok with a number of restrictions on abortion. You had a candidate nationally accept any abortion up to and including one minute before natural birth would have occurred. I'm supposed to have a calm cool rational discussion about how that is a needed sacrifice for precedent, but Trump suggestions are outlandish or goofy talk?

When everybody is done venting their anger, let's get to talking about immigration solutions that don't involve mass amnesty, gun laws that don't look to overturn DC vs Heller, solutions to Syria that don't involve brinkmanship with Russia ( this latter one I really want you to read. The words you hear from Trump that might result in a personal threat is what I heard from Hillary.), healthcare solutions that dont ignore that protest of so many.


You cautioned me about referring to someone or their thoughts as "crazy" because it dismisses and trivializes others ideas, rather than having a discussion. Believe it or not I actually took that to heart and tried to start practicing it in my life. All because some internet stranger mentioned it one time.

The protests are charged with a tone that all of these concerns are lumped together and some sort of white Revenge with illegitimacy. It feels like being called crazy Goofy and outlandish all the time.


Just an explanation. I am paying attention to what you're saying and want those protesting to feel acknowledged.

Before I respond to this in detail which I probably won't until tomorrow because I'm about to pass out, I want to clarify that when I said "goofy talk" I was referring to Trump supporters characterization of some of his more brazen rhetoric, as if to downplay it, not that the personal political sentiments of Trump supporters are goofy. This was the context:

"Not to mention the sense that it's all just goofy talk. My biggest problem with this campaign is how many people are just willing to write that kind of stuff off as harmless when it really has no place in a national discourse being uttered by our incoming President."

The clause could have been better parsed, but it was a transition to my next point, not a standalone sentence.
 
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