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@IGotAHugePeckah has come out as a bleeding heart liberal
@Splinty wish he could've killed more precious animals before he left Africa.
There were over 2000 of them. If your wrist strength starts to fade you still gotta get paid.
Quick question, you a fan of PRIDE rules?
Imagine someone who wants to shoot one of these things. I guess when you grow up with Trump as your dad you don't get a whole lot of love and affection as a kid, but still. What a cunt!
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How were your parents?
They seem to only be against blanket culling of raw numbers and support the targeted older males
Which is what was suggested in Zimbabwe anyway. They manage their other elephant populations by selling them to other countries and zoos.
So why not let someone come kill the largest most dangerous of the group if you're gonna do it anyways?
Seeing elephants in the wild was one of the most amazing things ever and made me donate to the Kenya parks system. I support hippie conservationist policies to maintain all current species lines.
But I'm also struck by the possibility of a middle class developing and Africa is self-sufficient and deserves to have a life closer to our quality.
For the record, I've only ever hunted bird and hog.
Good on you man. Hunting is far different than pay to kill though right? When I talk hunting it's for the purpose of food not thrill killing. I really hate the idea of big game hunting for trophies for lots of reasons but going out to kill so you can eat good game is completely different.
And since this is thread is turning back to a more serious tone I'll leave the hog hunting jokes aside just this once.
lmao
We did eat everything we shot, and part of the reason I felt comfortable hunting was that there such an over population of Dove and especially hogs in this area.
Personally I don't really understand trophy hunting either. And while hog populations are highly destructive as a whole and plentiful,
@Belobog makes some good cases in his paper he linked against General culling of animals like elephants.So that really leaves two parts of this as far as I can tell.
There's the reality that certain males will need to be killed for sustainable populations no matter what you do. Such actions seem abhorrent to some, but they are necessary evil in the sense of ecologic protection as well as getting continued buy in for the local populace.
It's quite easy for us to say from a distance that so much land needs to be off limits from the local populations. But human-elephant encroachment, especially lone males make the human populations unsympathetic to the animals.
And the second part is whether there are more pros and cons to letting somebody pay to pull the trigger that's going to be pulled anyway. I mean, I don't totally get it. But if that regulated shooting and regulated legal ivory can ethically raised Revenue then local populations don't have to encroach into elephant space with things like cash crops. The elephants become the cash crop That needs to sustain longer and longer as a tourism gold mine.
Again, I'm not sure how you differentiate the legal and illegal ivory. And that's a pretty big concern. But at the surface Ion simply whether somebody should be allowed to pay to shoot an elephant is going to already going to get shot, it doesn't really bug me that they are looking to maximize the revenue sources.
Zimbabwe is pretty unique as well. I'm seeing the article I linked earlier that they have these huge stockpiles of ivory decades worth. What will be the effect of them emptying out their coffers to raise money? Will it drive demand for more illegal Ivory? Or will it flood the market with more Supply?
He’s a very odd little man.
You can tell how uncoordinated he is just by looking at him. He has negative physicality.
I'm on your side with this. My parents left South Africa before I was born and moved to Canada. The first time I went to SA with my parents was in the early 70's. I remember then and talking with family members that still live there, the same issues are still happening. There will not be a great system set up to cull and make money hunting with rich foreigners. The issue is once Ivory becomes legal trade again poachers will go on the rise in a large degree. Poachers in SA are a very big problem. They are not just murderers of endangered animals or animals that can bring in big money for pelts, heads, ivory, they also murder people. Anyone who is thought to report them, try and stop them is also in grave danger. These are not your normal poachers. When it comes to big money poaching its a gangland type pursuit.
I'd bet large right now, with this idealistic plan of "preventing poachers" so it will all be OK will do nothing but catch a few for publicity but the real issue will be on the rise in no time. Again within ten to twenty years the elephant population will be in serious decline. Not to mention the brutality of how many of these poachers kill (young and old as long as there's ivory attached), letting the majestic animals suffer, removing the tusks and letting the rest of the carcass rot on site.
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Smug. The lot of em.He’s a very odd little man.
You can tell how uncoordinated he is just by looking at him. He has negative physicality.
Any time the state abdictes its power over life and death to private interests, especially for something as weird and grotesque as sport shooting, civil society is degraded. We may as well allow for citizen switch flippers in capital executions to appease the serial killer population. Despite the viability of the revenue stream, people who want to get an erection from shooting an elephant shouldn't be encouraged. Maybe a more useful trick would be to allow these would be big game assassins to shoot at poachers in the wild.We did eat everything we shot, and part of the reason I felt comfortable hunting was that there such an over population of Dove and especially hogs in this area.
Personally I don't really understand trophy hunting either. And while hog populations are highly destructive as a whole and plentiful,
So that really leaves two parts of this as far as I can tell.
There's the reality that certain males will need to be killed for sustainable populations no matter what you do. Such actions seem abhorrent to some, but they are necessary evil in the sense of ecologic protection as well as getting continued buy in for the local populace.
It's quite easy for us to say from a distance that so much land needs to be off limits from the local populations. But human-elephant encroachment, especially lone males make the human populations unsympathetic to the animals.
And the second part is whether there are more pros and cons to letting somebody pay to pull the trigger that's going to be pulled anyway. I mean, I don't totally get it. But if that regulated shooting and regulated legal ivory can ethically raised Revenue then local populations don't have to encroach into elephant space with things like cash crops. The elephants become the cash crop That needs to sustain longer and longer as a tourism gold mine.
Again, I'm not sure how you differentiate the legal and illegal ivory. And that's a pretty big concern. But at the surface Ion simply whether somebody should be allowed to pay to shoot an elephant is going to already going to get shot, it doesn't really bug me that they are looking to maximize the revenue sources.
Zimbabwe is pretty unique as well. I'm seeing the article I linked earlier that they have these huge stockpiles of ivory decades worth. What will be the effect of them emptying out their coffers to raise money? Will it drive demand for more illegal Ivory? Or will it flood the market with more Supply?
Does anyone have any problem with this?
I think you might have just satisfied my bloodlust (
) and the needs of elephant conservation.It is the most dangerous game.
How are the people providing the majority of funding towards conservation not nature lovers?
I'm not aware of a place on earth where it's legal to kill an animal solely for the trophy. Trophy hunting is just the concept of killing the largest, oldest animal to cull it from the population. Coincidentally the largest trophy is also the biggest yield of meat. Yes, elephant is something people eat.
I'm also curious why people think that allowing the trophies to be kept changes anything. It's the same stupid logic of the new BC grizzly law. "Yeah, you can shoot them. You just can't keep the fur."
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Who eats elephant? That sounds pretty tasty
From what I've read they serve it at the lodges and from what I understand the meat is happily consumed by the locals. Admittedly I'm not the most knowledgeable on the matter because I have no interest in hunting one. Seems somewhat counter productive unless you handicap yourself to dangerous levels and some crazy fuckers actually do.
How else will his rapey monsters be allowed to hunt defenseless animals?
His only real accomplishment.
Where is the I FUCKING HATE YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT emoji when you need it
I really would love to slap him around his stupid smug ugly face, I really would.
Uh, people DO give a shit. And I will never get over how humans think that the ecosystem can't regulate itself without our involvement. Narcissistic assholes is what we are. Elephants are extremely intelligent beings. Your logic is why we can't have nice things. Ugh.