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Is Nova Uniao most accomplished camp
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Word on the street is TQN agrees with all of this and thats why he changed his name to
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What do you mean about Chute Boxe BTW? Not entirely sure. Wand, Shogun, and Anderosn all had major success while Chute Boxe was alive and kicking. When Anderson beat Sakurai fr the 170 title, it was basically the #1 spot in the world at 170. Hughes had not won the UFC belt yet at that time and Sakurai was considerd the #1 guy ,undefeated
You'll get some responses in your thread. It's late, so people will check in tomorrow. I'll bump it in the morning.
Also Chael wasn't "technically" WEC champb ut he still beat Filho who was champion. Filho mailed the belt to him t acknowledge the fact he lost and that Chael was the rightful champ even if it goes down different on paper.
Despite what went on in Filho's life, Chael still won and beat the champ or a major org at the tim on th sam level as Bellator, Shooto and the others you listed. I agree tho, Chael is 100% an underachiever. BUT, he still beat a guy who was not only a world champ, he was a guy who many people rated OVER Anderson Silva during Anderson's early UFC run. Filho was the #1 guy in the world for a while.
I don't think QUest is on the level of teams like NU, BTT/Carlson, MFS and others as far as achievements. BUT, Randy and Hendo are two of the all time greats and won titles while there. ALL of Hendo's title and tournament wins (UFC tournie winner, too) came when he was at Team Quest. I'm not 100% sure what year Randy left Team Quest, but he was UFC LHW champion when he was with TQ the first time he won the belt.
Despite what went on in Filho's life, Chael still won and beat the champ or a major org at the tim on th sam level as Bellator, Shooto and the others you listed. I agree tho, Chael is 100% an underachiever. BUT, he still beat a guy who was not only a world champ, he was a guy who many people rated OVER Anderson Silva during Anderson's early UFC run. Filho was the #1 guy in the world for a while.
I don't think QUest is on the level of teams like NU, BTT/Carlson, MFS and others as far as achievements. BUT, Randy and Hendo are two of the all time greats and won titles while there. ALL of Hendo's title and tournament wins (UFC tournie winner, too) came when he was at Team Quest. I'm not 100% sure what year Randy left Team Quest, but he was UFC LHW champion when he was with TQ the first time he won the belt.
Actually, after checking onlne
Randy won the HW and LHW titles when he was with Team Quest. Hendo won the PRIDE 183 and 203 titles with Team Quest
So even if you don't count Chael. TQ captured 4 major titles in the 2 biggest orgs of all time. With these same two fighters being among the very few to ever hold major org titles in 2 diff weght classes.. and Hendo being the only guy in history to hold them simultaneously.
By the time Randy left Team Quest, he only won the title one more time, against Sylvia. After Hendo left Quest he never won a belt again. So I dunno why yu'd say most of their achievements cam after leavng the team when they won their belts while on it.
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Randy won the HW and LHW titles when he was with Team Quest. Hendo won the PRIDE 183 and 203 titles with Team Quest
So even if you don't count Chael. TQ captured 4 major titles in the 2 biggest orgs of all time. With these same two fighters being among the very few to ever hold major org titles in 2 diff weght classes.. and Hendo being the only guy in history to hold them simultaneously.
By the time Randy left Team Quest, he only won the title one more time, against Sylvia. After Hendo left Quest he never won a belt again. So I dunno why yu'd say most of their achievements cam after leavng the team when they won their belts while on it.
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Also, a word about Faber.
During his reign at 145 in the WEC, he was not considered the consensus #1 FW im the world. He was certainly the most heavily marketed as Reed Harris had built much of his television campaign on Versus around Faber along with Miguel Torres and Razor Rob McCulloch (before Jamie Varner dispatched him).
But Faber was never the consensus #1 guy at 145 because the division was far too fragmented at the time with guys like Sandro fighting in Pancrase and Kid Yamamoto in K-1. The best 145ers were objectively not in WEC during most of Faber's reign (i.e. Bibiano, Wagnney, Hansen) just as the best 135 lbers weren't. Mike Brown (Another ATT champ) was considered a fairly solid 155 journeyman before cutting a few pounds to decimate Faber.
To me WEC can only lay claim to having a strong division at 155.
During his reign at 145 in the WEC, he was not considered the consensus #1 FW im the world. He was certainly the most heavily marketed as Reed Harris had built much of his television campaign on Versus around Faber along with Miguel Torres and Razor Rob McCulloch (before Jamie Varner dispatched him).
But Faber was never the consensus #1 guy at 145 because the division was far too fragmented at the time with guys like Sandro fighting in Pancrase and Kid Yamamoto in K-1. The best 145ers were objectively not in WEC during most of Faber's reign (i.e. Bibiano, Wagnney, Hansen) just as the best 135 lbers weren't. Mike Brown (Another ATT champ) was considered a fairly solid 155 journeyman before cutting a few pounds to decimate Faber.
To me WEC can only lay claim to having a strong division at 155.
Randy won the HW title twice. Once against Smith when he was with Rico Chiapparelli's RAW team. The second time against Randleman with Team Quest. When he beat Tito for the LHW title, he was with Quest. When he beat Vitor to get his belt back and later when he beat Sylvia for the HW title he was with Xtreme Couture.
Hendo won the UFC 17 tournament with the RAW team and the Rings KoK tournament, but by the time he won Pride gold at 183 and 205 he was with Quest. When he won the Strikeforce belt, he was nominally with Quest, but mostly training out of his Temecula gym.
One guy we can add to the pile in lieu of Chael is Evan Tanner who also won his MW belt while with Quest. Also, distinguishing RAW from Quest is sort of pointless, but I think it's not unlike distinguishing Carlson from BTT.
Hendo won the UFC 17 tournament with the RAW team and the Rings KoK tournament, but by the time he won Pride gold at 183 and 205 he was with Quest. When he won the Strikeforce belt, he was nominally with Quest, but mostly training out of his Temecula gym.
One guy we can add to the pile in lieu of Chael is Evan Tanner who also won his MW belt while with Quest. Also, distinguishing RAW from Quest is sort of pointless, but I think it's not unlike distinguishing Carlson from BTT.
One thing that I think should be spotlighted as a huge component of Nova Uniao's success over the years is the patented NU head and arm choke.
Not many things are sure in the sport, but if a Nova Uniao black belt gets you in a head and arm choke, it's almost sure you will be finished. I'm not sure if it was Dede or Wendell Alexander or someone else who inculcated knowledge of this move into the team's instruction, but at this point, the NU head and arm choke has become as unstoppable as a Marcelo Garcia academy guillotine or a Rousey armbar.
Here's an article Bloody Elbow did on it where they spotlight Nova Uniao's use of the technique both as a passing maneuver and as a finisher: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/1/28/5309390/ufc-169-judo-chop-jose-aldo-renan-barao-nova-uniao-arm-triangle-gif
Not many things are sure in the sport, but if a Nova Uniao black belt gets you in a head and arm choke, it's almost sure you will be finished. I'm not sure if it was Dede or Wendell Alexander or someone else who inculcated knowledge of this move into the team's instruction, but at this point, the NU head and arm choke has become as unstoppable as a Marcelo Garcia academy guillotine or a Rousey armbar.
Here's an article Bloody Elbow did on it where they spotlight Nova Uniao's use of the technique both as a passing maneuver and as a finisher: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/1/28/5309390/ufc-169-judo-chop-jose-aldo-renan-barao-nova-uniao-arm-triangle-gif