Kevin Lee calls out Sage Northcutt

[OhWhopDaChamp]

i love that you're actively being part of the solution. but it's not hard to understand why he added "white."
i mean...given the history of african-americans in the U.S... white people are privileged. getting accused of being rich and privileged is hardly and insult as far as racial slurs go.
I'm sure it's frustrating to fighters who have to work so hard to get where there at then some young dude whose parents easily paid for all the sports training,.. end up getting so much publicity. Lee has to trust in his fan base and mma fans though and realize we don't all get distracted by shiny objects (sage)

Thank you for being reasonable and not because I agree with you but because you're open to a non trollish discourse. I'm trying to think of a similar young, new fighter in the UFC that received the welcome that Sage has?

Because people can be silly about shit let me state, It's through no fault of Sage, nor even Connor, that they seem to be preferred by Zuffa. More power to the both of them, I'd ride that shit until the wheels fell off if anything like that happened in my life. Wouldn't give a FUCK what anyone thought Son.

Now. For your first fight in the UFC you get to do a pre fight scrum, an open work out, a post fight scrum, and appear at the post fight presser. Not to mention a goodly introduction on a lead in show. I think he is a symbol of what Zuffa wants. A white champion. Squeaky clean, blonde, blue eyed champion. I think that's why Gus is so preferred in his quest for a title, the only thing that threw him to 2nd place in line was an injury and then classless behavior of DC and Bones leading up to the replacement fight.

This is no reflection of the fighters, I think they're innocent of any wrong doing but I think for marketing and monetary purposes the UFC wants certain champions to have a certain ethnicity, look, and personality. I actually don't believe its rooted in evil just money.

Ok. Go!!

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

Being white is 100% used as an insult by black people. Look how mad they get when someone gets an education and doesn't talk like an uneducated moron. When they do this it's being soft or acting white.

you really know some ignorant black people or you're recalling opinions from the 1980s. I legit haven't heard this sentiment in any black discussion that I've had in the last 17 years. I heard it when my poor Arkansas cousins visited us in California. I was 8 years old. You should probably venture out and discover a higher social class of Negro. For real.

 

[ThatOneDude]

you really know some ignorant black people or you're recalling opinions from the 1980s. I legit haven't heard this sentiment in any black discussion that I've had in the last 17 years. I heard it when my poor Arkansas cousins visited us in California. I was 8 years old. You should probably venture out and discover a higher social class of Negro. For real.

I used to work in the hood, heard shit like this all the time. Was maybe 3 years ago

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

I used to work in the hood, heard shit like this all the time. Was maybe 3 years ago

yeah that's what I mean. You're assigning the opinion of poor people in a certain segment to be the prevalent opinion of the majority. It is not. If I go hang out in a poor rural community and listen to their opinions on the world, race and class I'm going to hear some ignorant white opinions, same of any group that is poor. Poor in wealth as well as in education.

If you would've worked at a business by a customer service call center ( I just snickered and snotted on myself) you would interact with black women and gay black men (HAHAHAHAHA) who have a high school education and some college credits. That segment prides themselves on their ability to be articulate in speech and thought. It's important to try to keep a global perspective.

I haven't had contact with any group of people who didn't have a similar financial background since I was able to get rid of my parents kin. I also quit treating black men as human dildo's so I no longer have cause to go to the ghetto and interact, that's why I think I keep being surprised at these opinions and ideas you assign to Blacks. All boils down to 'where you at' I guess.

 

[ThatOneDude]

yeah that's what I mean. You're assigning the opinion of poor people in a certain segment to be the prevalent opinion of the majority. It is not. If I go hang out in a poor rural community and listen to their opinions on the world, race and class I'm going to hear some ignorant white opinions, same of any group that is poor. Poor in wealth as well as in education.

If you would've worked at a business by a customer service call center ( I just snickered and snotted on myself) you would interact with black women and gay black men (HAHAHAHAHA) who have a high school education and some college credits. That segment prides themselves on their ability to be articulate in speech and thought. It's important to try to keep a global perspective.

I haven't had contact with any group of people who didn't have a similar financial background since I was able to get rid of my parents kin. I also quit treating black men as human dildo's so I no longer have cause to go to the ghetto and interact, that's why I think I keep being surprised at these opinions and ideas you assign to Blacks. All boils down to 'where you at' I guess.

Stereotypes are Stereotypes for a reason.

I also heard shit like this at my private Catholic high school. So it's not just in the hood.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

Stereotypes are Stereotypes for a reason.

I also heard shit like this at my private Catholic high school. So it's not just in the hood.

Blacks at your private Catholic school mocked each other for speaking proper english?

 

[ThatOneDude]

Blacks at your private Catholic school mocked each other for speaking proper english?

They mocked the ones who did, the ones in AP classes, etc etc

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

They mocked the ones who did, the ones in AP classes, etc etc

And have you heard that recently as well when mingling with Blacks outside of 'the hood'? Like by Blacks at your job?

What you're saying is very shocking. 3 years ago the poor Blacks in an area you worked in mocked other Blacks for speaking proper English and 'sounding white' and back in high school? elementary school? middle school? you heard the same from Black kids whose parents were able to afford to pay the private tuition to send their Black children to a Catholic school?

That just defies all statistics and social studies. You win. Negro down dawg.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

Wonder if Black people think President Obama speaks 'White' and that's a bad thing. So terribly sad. My people are so lost.

 

[ThatOneDude]

And have you heard that recently as well when mingling with Blacks outside of 'the hood'? Like by Blacks at your job?

What you're saying is very shocking. 3 years ago the poor Blacks in an area you worked in mocked other Blacks for speaking proper English and 'sounding white' and back in high school? elementary school? middle school? you heard the same from Black kids whose parents were able to afford to pay the private tuition to send their Black children to a Catholic school?

That just defies all statistics and social studies. You win. Negro down dawg.

A) there are no black people at my job
B) there were no black kids in any of my classes in elementary school and middle school
C) my neighbor and his family are black, awesome neighbors. He doesn't tolerate any hood shit

 

[ThatOneDude]

Wonder if Black people think President Obama speaks 'White' and that's a bad thing. So terribly sad. My people are so lost.

It's sad that anyone thinks like that. He speaks like an educated human. No color what so ever. But sadly that's not the world we live in.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

A) there are no black people at my job
B) there were no black kids in any of my classes in elementary school and middle school
C) my neighbor and his family are black, awesome neighbors. He doesn't tolerate any hood shit

None of the above strikes you as odd? And to have no Blacks in any of your classes until private Catholic high school is still baffling to me. I wonder what suddenly made those Black families pay the tuition during high school and not prior? Assuming, of course, that the Black children were in a different school situation prior otherwise they all should've sounded the same as the other non Black kids who attended private school before high school.

I doubt Black families who could afford to pay private school tuition would have purposefully had their children attend a financially poor school district. You don't seem to be old enough to have went to school before segregation so not have ANY Blacks in your classes prior to high school in an integrated school system is fucking strange as hell.

@Check it can you comment on the last couple of entries? Have you come across this in your research? I haven't formally studied in years just casual reading only.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

It's sad that anyone thinks like that. He speaks like an educated human. No color what so ever. But sadly that's not the world we live in.

I was being sarcastic. I've never heard a Black person mention his enunciation. But that's just me. I'm sure you heard it. 3 years ago and something similar about hmm General Colin Powell? Conde Rice? from the Black kids that went to your private Catholic high school.

 

[ThatOneDude]

None of the above strikes you as odd? And to have no Blacks in any of your classes until private Catholic high school is still baffling to me. I wonder what suddenly made those Black families pay the tuition during high school and not prior? Assuming, of course, that the Black children were in a different school situation prior otherwise they all should've sounded the same as the other non Black kids who attended private school before high school.

I doubt Black families who could afford to pay private school tuition would have purposefully had their children attend a financially poor school district. You don't seem to be old enough to have went to school before segregation so not have ANY Blacks in your classes prior to high school in an integrated school system is fucking strange as hell.

@Check it can you comment on the last couple of entries? Have you come across this in your research? I haven't formally studied in years just casual reading only.

I grew up in Pleasantville. First black kid I even met was on pop Warner football.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

I grew up in Pleasantville. First black kid I even met was on pop Warner football.

I liked that movie

 

[ThatOneDude]

I liked that movie

Picture that, in the 90's

 

[Greek777]

Lol @ this guy hating on Sage because he had good parents with money, and a good upbringing

It's ridiculous to hate someone for what they were born into, in Sage's case, a nice wealthy family.

I've hated rich kids in the past too, but guess what, it's not their fault. I wish my parents were successful and rich, but they were not, so why should I hate other people who came from a better upbringing? Life ain't fair. Make your own way if people who are born into wealth make you mad.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

Picture that, in the 90's

didn't the Black milkman get color after banging a white housewife? I might be thinking about the porno tho

 

[Greek777]

BTW - I am not one of the people who thinks Sage is the 2nd coming of Christ.. I'm just realistic. Picking a beef with someone over jealousy, and that's exactly what it is, is stupid.

Like I said, I understand why, but that doesn't make it right

 

[check it]

my main area of study is specifically the lower socioeconomic layer in the U.S. and why they're being left behind academically.

I think it's quite telling that one dude had zero interaction with black kids at school..and there are none in his work environment.
i'm not sure what one dude does for a living or where he lives...but it's weird to me that black people aren't anywhere where he is.
how could that be...where are they?

in my research I have found an alarming rate of african/hispanic american people making up a disproportionate amount of the lowest income bracket. primarily because of not succeeding in school for all sorts of reasons. one example...just finished up a paper on something called curriculum tracking where white kids were shuffled into a college high paced track and the poor black/hispanic kids ended up in a very slow paced almost remedial track. those kids eventually lose interest and are at risk for dropping out. this is STILL happening in schools. wtf, seriously? there's a lot of specific details how the kids get grouped but ya get the point..it's not fair.

i think it's necessary for people to identify with a cultural heritage...and raise each other up ..
although I worry when i hear things like "i had no black kids in my class or at work" because i feel like people who don't interact with all segments of society might have a limited view of who black people are as a culture in general. and that's how negative stereotypes are perpetuated. even more importantly, it means that something isn't right statistically...why are all the kids in low ses school hispanic and black with a very low percentage of white kids? flip flop that to the ritzier zip code...all you find is a whole lot of white people and far fewer families with a different ethnic background. whatever the barrier is.. it needs to be eliminated.


I think you'll appreciate this vid link, mel. it's a bit long .but it's a good story..that gives great insight into the trouble with having a limited perspective. plus she's extremely intelligent and a great critical thinker. girl power!!!!

View: http://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story#t-953773


*i study people in the lowest socioeconomic level..these theories i have do not apply to middle/upper class african americans or hispanic families.

 

[ThatOneDude]

my main area of study is specifically the lower socioeconomic layer in the U.S. and why they're being left behind academically.

I think it's quite telling that one dude had zero interaction with black kids at school..and there are none in his work environment.
i'm not sure what one dude does for a living or where he lives...but it's weird to me that black people aren't anywhere where he is.
how could that be...where are they?

in my research I have found an alarming rate of african/hispanic american people making up a disproportionate amount of the lowest income bracket. primarily because of not succeeding in school for all sorts of reasons. one example...just finished up a paper on something called curriculum tracking where white kids were shuffled into a college high paced track and the poor black/hispanic kids ended up in a very slow paced almost remedial track. those kids eventually lose interest and are at risk for dropping out. this is STILL happening in schools. wtf, seriously? there's a lot of specific details how the kids get grouped but ya get the point..it's not fair.

i think it's necessary for people to identify with a cultural heritage...and raise each other up ..
although I worry when i hear things like "i had no black kids in my class or at work" because i feel like people who don't interact with all segments of society might have a limited view of who black people are as a culture in general. and that's how negative stereotypes are perpetuated. even more importantly, it means that something isn't right statistically...why are all the kids in low ses school hispanic and black with a very low percentage of white kids? flip flop that to the ritzier zip code...all you find is a whole lot of white people and far fewer families with a different ethnic background. whatever the barrier is.. it needs to be eliminated.


I think you'll appreciate this vid link, mel. it's a bit long .but it's a good story..that gives great insight into the trouble with having a limited perspective. plus she's extremely intelligent and a great critical thinker. girl power!!!!

View: http://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story#t-953773


*i study people in the lowest socioeconomic level..these theories i have do not apply to middle/upper class african americans or hispanic families.

A little more background info on my education if you'd like. I'd honestly like to hear your take on it because you are clearly knowledgeable on this.
I grew up in central Connecticut, school age was all in Wallingford, CT. For k-8 I was in the public school system. For 9-12 I went to Notre Dame of West Haven. The tuition at the time was very obtainable and there were a tonnnnnnnnnn of private grants and scholarships. I had friends of all races because I played football and track.
Then went to college for a year, had friends of all races.
Military, artillery, large mixing pot of people.
College after in New Haven Connecticut, didn't make friends, I was there for class not really to socialize because I had my core group of friends I grew up with and from the military.
Menial bullshit jobs during and a bit after I left school. Mixed races
Now, software development company outside of Dallas. Mainly white, some India, a Canadian, good mix of genders for a tech company.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

@Check it thank you. That was wonderful and amusing to see how many times that one perception was repeated over and over again in this thread. Sweeping statements assigning a belief to a large group based on something heard in one experience 3 years ago, or 15 years ago in high school and stating that it still applies to all.

She was beautiful. I had the same writing experience when I wrote my first short at 9 years old. It was a prison short where the innocent white guy had to fight and scheme against hardened colored prisoners to get the coke a cola LOL. Then when I was 13 and got my word processor I wrote romance about white secretaries marrying white ceo's. In England. I loved Harlequin Presents novels. Anyway. Thanks, I'm glad I saw that.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

For 9-12 I went to Notre Dame of West Haven. The tuition at the time was very obtainable and there were a tonnnnnnnnnn of private grants and scholarships. I had friends of all races because I played football and track.

and herein is my previous point. The Blacks that you are assigning the opinion that it's scornful to 'sound white' still were not from a similar economic background of the 'white sounding' people assuming that is the reason you now mention grants and how affordable your 'private catholic school' was. Typing with you is often a supreme waste of time and that's really just too damn bad. I'll make sure not to forget that again.

 

[ThatOneDude]

and herein is my previous point. The Blacks that you are assigning the opinion that it's scornful to 'sound white' still were not from a similar economic background of the 'white sounding' people assuming that is the reason you now mention grants and how affordable your 'private catholic school' was. Typing with you is often a supreme waste of time and that's really just too damn bad. I'll make sure not to forget that again.

Nom Nom Nom Nom

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

In non dumbass speak. Here's a relevant man Oh Kev


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