I'd watch also and on a side note, who is lee's loss to?
Kevin Lee calls out Sage Northcutt
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damn the matrix! after this thread when I clicked on youtube from this site I got suggestions to watch Malcolm X and Sage Northcutt
Lee seems to use bitterness and hatred to get motivation to fight. It's interesting that he's very polite, laid back, and humorous in personal convos or with fans but legit turns rabid when confronted with a male near his weight. Cracks me up when he desperately searches for a reason to dislike someone. When he can't he just says fuck it, I don't like him for no reason and I'm ok with that. LOL!
Exactly, the man.
Do you take being called white as an insult? The use of the word white was just an adjective. Maybe he would have said privileged black kid if that is what Sage is, or maybe not, but I don't think you can draw any racist overtones from it.
Sure, what does Sage's race have anything to do with him as a fighter. Why would he need to call out Sage the "privileged white boy" instead of calling out Sage the fighter who's 19 and getting more press than him?
Heaven forbid a fighter has a good life growing up...I hope Sage KNOCKS him out then says, "W.I.C babies have no chin"..but he won't because he has class and dont need to talk shit cuz his skills do the talking..
You know James Lee? Been to Inkster?
i love that you're actively being part of the solution. but it's not hard to understand why he added "white."
i mean...given the history of african-americans in the U.S... white people are privileged. getting accused of being rich and privileged is hardly and insult as far as racial slurs go.
i get lee's point, entirely. although I agree with you he could easily make it about the dude and not his race. americans have to start somewhere..here in this forum is as good as place as any.
I'm sure it's frustrating to fighters who have to work so hard to get where there at then some young dude whose parents easily paid for all the sports training,.. end up getting so much publicity. Lee has to trust in his fan base and mma fans though and realize we don't all get distracted by shiny objects (sage)
it does kinds speak on the UFC as a professional sports league though..if they'd part with some of their profits to establish state of the art training facilities around the country..imagine the awesome fights we'd see in a few years. i've thought this before..being professional is more than matching uniforms.
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It's all part of the game of MMA. There is a bias and fast tracking for all fighters who promoters think will bring attention to an organization... Conor brought the Irish/Boston crowd, Cain brought the Mexicans, the Diaz Bros brought the weed smokers, Brock and Phil Brooks brought/will bring the WWE crowd, Rampage back in the day brought the black fans, Chuck Liddell (even though he wasn't like this) brought in the beer drinking fist fighting rednecks.... It's all part of the game.
While I agree with Kevin that Sage is being pushed for being the "Young good looking all American white boy" who will bring in young ladies (the same way PVZ is being sold as the sexy young face of WMMA), I disagree with him that he hasn't worked hard. Any fighter who puts in the work, training camps, and countless hours of training/drilling/getting punched in the face/weight cutting has worked hard for it. Yes in the future, the UFC can give him opponents that are catered to lose to him, and protect their interest/asset (ala Conor), but Sage still puts in the work to get into the cage. You can't hate on the kid because he's a young good looking kid who the company wants to push.... If Mr Lee wants the publicity and push, keep knocking guys out and all will know your name.
While I agree with Kevin that Sage is being pushed for being the "Young good looking all American white boy" who will bring in young ladies (the same way PVZ is being sold as the sexy young face of WMMA), I disagree with him that he hasn't worked hard. Any fighter who puts in the work, training camps, and countless hours of training/drilling/getting punched in the face/weight cutting has worked hard for it. Yes in the future, the UFC can give him opponents that are catered to lose to him, and protect their interest/asset (ala Conor), but Sage still puts in the work to get into the cage. You can't hate on the kid because he's a young good looking kid who the company wants to push.... If Mr Lee wants the publicity and push, keep knocking guys out and all will know your name.
Being white is 100% used as an insult by black people. Look how mad they get when someone gets an education and doesn't talk like an uneducated moron. When they do this it's being soft or acting white.
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very vaild point. it is all in context. the whole debate about saying nigga/ninja black people saying it ..white people saying it.
it's very easily explained by the black cultural perspective..white people don't have the background knowledge of that particular cultures' heritage.
it's not bad..it's not good...it's just how it is.
white people have to allow other cultures to be how they are without feeling the need to say what is allowable or acceptable to that other culture. just as I would say people of the black culture have to allow all other cultures to be how they are.
it's a cognitive dissonance thing..white culture has to synthesize there's no place anymore for a dominant racial ideology. i'm not calling anybody here racist..but we ALL know there's white people who still feel this way.
it's so deeply rooted though oppression and lack of legit equal opportunities starting with education... it will take generations of time to truly have civil equality. i brought that up specifically because somebody made these comments.
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It's amazing to me that being raised by a loving family and having a good life is looked at as a bad thing by some people. Clearly a better life is a home with no dad, and a mom slangin pussy in the hood.
Or just a dad and a mom struggling to support their family. Why does it always go back to the hood? there are plenty of people living in the country living off welfare and WIC working at low income jobs
i've been doing hours and hours of research on why this happens in america. i can link you to some boring ass scientific peer reviewed academic journals if you want..or just sum up that if all american kids have 100% literacy skills...they are that much more likely not to end up in poverty. therefor if all people have equal opportunity to a high quality education the minority demographic will be able to join white people in the land of richness and privilege where they belong. and it's not just a race thing..it's a socioeconomic thing as well..it's just that the white people dominate upper levels of the system. there's a reason for that.. i've committed myself to helping underprivileged kids one kindergarten class at a time.
again...being accused of being educated is hardly and insult as far as racial slurs go..
but you really have to think about where that's stemming from...what makes black people have that perception of white people?
just so you know where i'm coming from...here's a few links.
http://www.readtosucceedbuffalo.org/documents/30 Million Word Gap.pdf
and this one...a synopsis of the Kozol documentary on the savage inequality of schools in america..it's gross.
SAVAGE INEQUALITIES
black people and hispanic people are not being given the same opportunity to be academically successful like white kids..it's a thing.
and there's my thesis for my graduate degree. thanks. sorry i got so wordy..i have some deep passion for civil/education equality.
back to mma now.
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Good post, breezed through it, but I'm going to read through your links and what not. It's important to be educated on and learn more about.
Chael Sonnen defended his infamous Brazil comments by saying that he could say whatever he needed to say to get himself in there, meaning both in terms of fight hustle and in terms of personal motivation. And he said that, in turn, Anderson Silva was free to make him pay for his comments. Which, we all know how that went down.
While I hesitate to pattern my own choices after ol' Chael's (except for how not to get caught cranking the EPO, I love that stuff), I always felt there was a common sense and balance in that perspective. Kevin can say whatever he wants to get himself where he needs to go. We're free to dig it or condemn it. Sage is free to beat him up for it if he can.
While I hesitate to pattern my own choices after ol' Chael's (except for how not to get caught cranking the EPO, I love that stuff), I always felt there was a common sense and balance in that perspective. Kevin can say whatever he wants to get himself where he needs to go. We're free to dig it or condemn it. Sage is free to beat him up for it if he can.
How could it not? Society is set up this way. It makes sense to me that people resent being deprived of it.
Maybe Sage working out everyday his whole life and traveling the world competing might have something to do with his physique and skillset...hence making a spectacular debut and getting love...I had no doubt when I seen him compete in MMA he would blow up and get both positive and negative responses...If It would have been lee getting all this attention it would never cross his mind to call sage out like this..Joe needs to book Sage a fight asap so he can get some more pouting stirred up..this is fun
It's almost like he's playing the victim card.... Typical