so you want the people who were hired to find fraud to admit they failed at their job?
that's your standard?
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that's your standard?
Unreal
I want the people who volunteered to conduct an unbiased forensic audit (because there are registered Republicans & Democrats doing it), to determine whether there was fraud found or not.
Their job is to find the truth. Evidence of fraud or no fraud, they will have done what they signed up for.
That's my last post on this. See ya in some more productive threads broham.
So is the current ‘crisis at the border’ being manufactured?
From the concerns being expressed, apprehensions are up, no?
Are the numbers currently entering higher than the previous admin?
This was my thought when the GOP blocked the investigation into the capital riots.
Trusting the First Report or the First Narrative is proving to be a Mistake
2020 has made that quite clear
2020 has made that quite clear
don't walk away - first explain how you can be certain that the "volunteers" haven't errored or committed fraud.
and help me understand the vetting process that keeps political activists out of the process, and how it's so much more thorough and effective than the process used by the electoral officials.
How many here remember the 2000 Bush Vs. Gore Elections and the Diabold fiasco?
"DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters."
- Washington Post Sunday , November 12, 2000 ; Page A22
Full article written in 2003 here:
www.scoop.co.nz
We've seen this all before ...history repeating itself.
"DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters."
- Washington Post Sunday , November 12, 2000 ; Page A22
Full article written in 2003 here:
Diebold Memos Disclose Florida 2000 E-Voting Fraud
Something very strange happened in Volusia County on election night November 2000, the night that first Gore won Florida, then Bush, and then as everybody can so well remember there was a tie.
www.scoop.co.nz
We've seen this all before ...history repeating itself.
Nepotism is not an issue in the Biden White House. Hunter Biden is not part of the American government. If he were, then I would find that unacceptable. For how much Hunter Biden's name gets thrown around, why is it that ALL the people who reference him are apparently unaware that Jared Kushner exists at all, let alone ran more of the government than Trump did? Plain hypocrisy.
Yeah that's fair.
I would say that colloquially, it is a pretty broad term and is oftentimes used as shorthand for a state which is run by a tinpot tyrant and his family members where expertise and governing competence is irrelevant, and the only policy priority is to retain power at all costs. But yes, you are right, I can afford to be more precise with my terminology.
Move Hunter into Kushner's old office and have him be WhatsApp buddies with MBS and conduct top-level direct diplomacy via the App Store, completely outside of the official channels, with zero oversight or record archiving and with the actual Secretary of State deliberately cut completely out of the loop, and what's your reaction? You'd lose your fucking mind, and rightly so. But you can't be honest enough to admit that, so it's easier to just say "lol" and pretend that both sides are just the same, right?
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See, a few years ago I would have been right there with you. But times change.
When the GOP was the party of Dubya and McCain and Romney, and most of their agenda was tax cuts for rich people and deregulation for industry and world policing, I would never have voted for them. But I would not have called them a threat to democracy either.
Why is it different now? There's a very simple delineation.
When McCain and Romney lost their elections......... they conceded to reality, congratulated their opponent, and praised the democratic system and the 150 uninterrupted years of peaceful transfer of power (which has now been broken - because of the GOP's extremism, cultism and disconnect from reality, and nothing else.)
Which realistic candidate for the 2024 Republican nomination would lose the election and concede it?
None of them. Not a single fucking one of them. They tell you openly, and they are actively purging the party of anyone who will vote to certify an electoral loss, and boasting about it.
That's crisis point for a democracy. It's not the same situation as it was even a decade ago.
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"Valid evidence"
You understand that the GOP's own lawyers are not even claiming fraud in court?
In Arizona:
Trump campaign attorney Kory Langhofer told a judge, “We are not alleging fraud in this lawsuit. We are not alleging anyone stealing the election.”
Lawyers have professional ethics rules. They don't want to be disbarred for lying to a judge.
The GOP is now an anti-democracy personality cult, dominated top to bottom by conspiracy retards. It's not the same situation that you think it is. Ten years ago, you were correct in what you are saying now. But the ground has shifted.
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Still going?
I would expect he'll be removed sometime in 2022.
It won't be because of election fraud.
Kamala won't get in Office.
Notice the uptick in UFO stories - Big Media pumping up UFOs...Joey Sellout Hogan bringing on guests to talk about UFOs..
When The Voter fraud is exposed for the world to see and everyone turns on the Elite....then the Order will pull their last and final rabbit out of their hat as a final last ditch effort to keep control of the sheep..
Alien Madafuckin Invasion!!
And go ahead and put ....
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsct-TZ26Pw
So is it only the states that Trump lost you think were victims of voter fraud?
Defense for some Capitol rioters: election misinformation
apnews.com
Lawyers for at least three defendants charged in connection with the violent siege tell The Associated Press that they will blame election misinformation and conspiracy theories, much of it pushed by then-President Donald Trump, for misleading their clients. The attorneys say those who spread that misinformation bear as much responsibility for the violence as do those who participated in the actual breach of the Capitol.
“I kind of sound like an idiot now saying it, but my faith was in him,” defendant Anthony Antonio said, speaking of Trump. Antonio said he wasn’t interested in politics before pandemic boredom led him to conservative cable news and right-wing social media. “I think they did a great job of convincing people.”
Defense for some Capitol rioters: election misinformation
Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them in court or at least produce some sympathy.
apnews.com
“I kind of sound like an idiot now saying it, but my faith was in him,” defendant Anthony Antonio said, speaking of Trump. Antonio said he wasn’t interested in politics before pandemic boredom led him to conservative cable news and right-wing social media. “I think they did a great job of convincing people.”
But of course, it's the mo$t obviou$ route.Defense for some Capitol rioters: election misinformation
Lawyers for at least three defendants charged in connection with the violent siege tell The Associated Press that they will blame election misinformation and conspiracy theories, much of it pushed by then-President Donald Trump, for misleading their clients. The attorneys say those who spread that misinformation bear as much responsibility for the violence as do those who participated in the actual breach of the Capitol.Defense for some Capitol rioters: election misinformation
Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them in court or at least produce some sympathy.
“I kind of sound like an idiot now saying it, but my faith was in him,” defendant Anthony Antonio said, speaking of Trump. Antonio said he wasn’t interested in politics before pandemic boredom led him to conservative cable news and right-wing social media. “I think they did a great job of convincing people.”
But a very poor legal defence.
The same ballots that they scream are fraudulent, are the ones that increased the GOP presence in the House.
The same pieces of paper.
No fraud there, though. On the same piece of paper.
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Perhaps. I've not paid too much attention, but if the Twinkies defense worked...
I figure the actual rioters will be given token punishments and the actual fucking assholes who enabled it won't see any repercussions. Especially if the leadership wants to sweep it under the rug and forget about it as quickly as possible.
We should do the opposite and publicly examine the SHIT out of how we ended up with this National embarrassment taking place.
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Got shot down by Mitch McConnell a couple of days ago. No investigation. Republicans won't allow one.
Both sides are exactly the same though, y'all.
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This will be the default defence. And it is a legitimate defence. Their minds were deliberately poisoned to such an extent that they legitimately lost contact with reality, genuinely did not comprehend the difference between right and wrong, and did not understand the gravity of the crime that they were committing. It certainly can be legally argued that many/most of them were suffering from deep-set delusions, were detached from reality, and were not mentally competent to be held criminally liable.Defense for some Capitol rioters: election misinformation
Lawyers for at least three defendants charged in connection with the violent siege tell The Associated Press that they will blame election misinformation and conspiracy theories, much of it pushed by then-President Donald Trump, for misleading their clients. The attorneys say those who spread that misinformation bear as much responsibility for the violence as do those who participated in the actual breach of the Capitol.Defense for some Capitol rioters: election misinformation
Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them in court or at least produce some sympathy.
“I kind of sound like an idiot now saying it, but my faith was in him,” defendant Anthony Antonio said, speaking of Trump. Antonio said he wasn’t interested in politics before pandemic boredom led him to conservative cable news and right-wing social media. “I think they did a great job of convincing people.”
It's a fair defence. If I was one of their lawyers, that's 100% what I would go with. What else is there?
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