VID Live Now: JRE MMA Show Ep. 32 w/ Firas Zahabi
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he was saying matrix is real...u knew this already thoughim trying to wrap my brain around it
you also know it is dangerous to awake a mind after a certain age
Ahh the old worsted wool explanation...of course, why didn't I think of that
Firas is 10 times smarter than Joe and Joe is not enjoying it.
Firas must get a lot of tail with his professor game
Is he like a Pro Speaker or something?
I don't usually go down the same alleyways of thought as him, but he is kinda fun to listen to.
Firas is 10 times smarter than Joe and Joe is not enjoying it.
Firas must get a lot of tail with his professor game
Is he like a Pro Speaker or something?
I don't usually go down the same alleyways of thought as him, but he is kinda fun to listen to.
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So great. The look on Rogan's face when Firas was trying to explain idealism was priceless.
I listened to it. Pretty good podcast if you are into philosophy and science.
One thing I disagreed was Firas saying Leibniz invented Calculus. There is
an argument whether it was Newton or Leibniz but when you really look into
the consensus is that Leibniz was a seriously shady fucker.
Also his thoughts on Newtonian gravity being wrong weren't entirely accurate.
Einstein didn't really prove Newtonian Gravity to be wrong. What he actually proved
was that Newtons gravity was just a small subset of the overall laws of gravity.
Newtonian gravity still works today... It just doesn't work on everything
Just like Einstein's relativity and gravity laws don't work at the quantum level.
They start to breakdown. It doesn't mean they are wrong. They are just a small
subset of a larger set of laws.
I don't think Firas fully understands the scientific process.
Other then that... He gave me some good shit to ponder
I think it was both their fault. They both failed to do the 1st thing you must do
to have a constructive argument. Define the Terms! Their arguing over "Whoo" was
pissing me off.
Both were right. The problem was Firas had an entirely different definition of "Whoo"
then Joe did and both failed to see that.
Joe's definition of Whoo was like Bro Science or using Crystals to heal your Chakras.
That's how Joe defined it. Whereas Firas defined it to much more extreme to the point
where he could say scientific laws were "Whoo" because he had a much stricter definition
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How many times did Joe mention "subatomic particles" when responding to Firas? His constant need to play devil's advocate kind of backfired on him here.
Yeah I think he coulda' done a better job. Thats also what I like about Joe too
at times. No matter who the guest is he isn't gonna let them come on and just
start spewing things unchallenged.
This time he made it awkward and went too far though
Ya I only heard pieces of it as I was on the phone at the time and didn't see whole podcast
was just interesting to see Joe at a loss of words when his guest went deep...I did also see a lot of holes in FIras thinking, but I haven't read the material you or he has read so I just had to absorb what I could
Yep thats one reason that I enjoy philosophy but also can only take so much of it
because you cant argue against hypothetical and mental constructs and get anywhere
constructive.
Like if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound?
You can't successfully argue that it does and you can't successfully argue that it doesn't either
Much of what Firas was saying was essentially pointless except to have a mental excercise
Where as what Joe was arguing (on the science side) was actually applicable
to advancing technology and industrial frontiers.
When your brain, heart or eyes are fucked you don't go to see a philosopher.
You get laser surgery, MRI scans, X Rays etc... all based on the science that Firas was
arguing to be "Whoo" from a philiosophical point of view.
Yes you can invalidate scientific laws using a form of philosophy and logical thought.
You cannot however invalidate that they work. So whats the point?
You have proven within a mental construct that those laws are "Whoo"...so you gonna go to a philosopher
for surgery?... or the scientist and use all the technological machines that those scientific
laws produced?
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LOL Joe went deer in the headlights for a minute. I don't think he ever had a philosopher
on his show arguing against him cuz he had no clue how to combat that shit.
I do enjoy philosophy. Just in small doses as it gets pointless very quickly
unless the point is just to have a mental excercise.
The Stoic philosophers are my favorite. Particularly Epictetus. He said some profound shit.
His thoughts on his own death were fucking boss.
This podcast was pure gold. Firas is different kind of thinker for sure. I like how he implemented Mihaly's book on "Flow".
"Flow - is the way people describe their state of mind when consciousness is harmoniously ordered, and they want to pursue whatever they are doing for its own sake." - Csikszentimihalyi Mihaly
that and fuck crossfit ~
"Flow - is the way people describe their state of mind when consciousness is harmoniously ordered, and they want to pursue whatever they are doing for its own sake." - Csikszentimihalyi Mihaly
that and fuck crossfit ~
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Let me guess, Joe's ego couldn't take it that Firas knows more about fighting and pounced on him in some other arena of discussion.
I hate to say it, but I stopped listening to the Tristar Podcasts because I find his wannabe intellectualism a bit annyoing, because most of the time the stuff is not really that super special or bright ...
Same with this podcast. While I agree with the points Firas is saying (e.g. natural laws as human concepts/interpretations of measurements), his argument leads nowhere and it is just mental masturbation without any benefit, as is most of the philosophy bs IMHO.
Also, and here I lack the proper english terminology, but any 1st year student of empirical subjects at uni learns these concepts and more in a basic introduction course on empirical measurements, statistics and experimental designs. You don't have to be the super philosophy master grand champion intellectual thinker for that. And also without having to constantly drop philosophical names and terminology.
Maybe he would have come to more interesting stuff later had the conversation not gone in loops so many times, though.
And also I'm sure if you ask him "Mike Bisping throws a 1-2, what should I do" he won't say "Maybe he turns into a butterfly and gets DQed for it".
On the part where they talk about MMA and training in general of course Firas is a successful trainer and I'm sure he's beyond competent and credible.
And Joe I admire for his patience and good spirits! Like seriously!! Maybe he was a bit too much focused on vocabulary/the first thing he thought of without hearing that Firas sometimes would mean an underlying concept.
Anyway that was a rather tough one . . .
Same with this podcast. While I agree with the points Firas is saying (e.g. natural laws as human concepts/interpretations of measurements), his argument leads nowhere and it is just mental masturbation without any benefit, as is most of the philosophy bs IMHO.
Also, and here I lack the proper english terminology, but any 1st year student of empirical subjects at uni learns these concepts and more in a basic introduction course on empirical measurements, statistics and experimental designs. You don't have to be the super philosophy master grand champion intellectual thinker for that. And also without having to constantly drop philosophical names and terminology.
Maybe he would have come to more interesting stuff later had the conversation not gone in loops so many times, though.
And also I'm sure if you ask him "Mike Bisping throws a 1-2, what should I do" he won't say "Maybe he turns into a butterfly and gets DQed for it".
On the part where they talk about MMA and training in general of course Firas is a successful trainer and I'm sure he's beyond competent and credible.
And Joe I admire for his patience and good spirits! Like seriously!! Maybe he was a bit too much focused on vocabulary/the first thing he thought of without hearing that Firas sometimes would mean an underlying concept.
Anyway that was a rather tough one . . .
don't hate to say anything
your opinion and view is respected and valuable
It is always entertaining for me to see Joe attempt to digest a new concept. Joe seems to prefer to repeat the same shit over and over regardless of its accuracy. Firas kinda Joe Roganed Joe Rogan for a bit and held joe hostage for an ear beating...LOL
His point wasn't that Newton was wrong and that Einstein was right, his point was that scientific facts are only scientific facts until they aren't. It's why he kept restating that in the most literal sense something never makes it past hypothesis.
Yeah I get what he was saying. It was pointless though unless the point was just to have a mental excercise
and his knowledge of the scientific process is incorrect. Scientific Theories by definition are past the Hypothesis
stage.
I think what he meant is that "Theories" typically can never be proven to be absolute facts not hypotheses.
The point was to have a mental exercise, he actually said that before Joe's brain started to melt.
That was the point. Joe couldn't get far enough into the mental exercise to get there.
Yeah they were not arguing the same thing and neither could lower their ego enough to see
that they didn't have the same definition of the terms they were arguing.
Don't get me wrong. I love philosophical exercises. I can only take so much when a philosopher tries
to demonstrate the same level of command of science. If he had a mastery of science knowledge
then he'd be a scientist and not a philosopher.
His stating that scientific theories/laws never make it past hypothesis just killed it for me.
That's like looking at a butterfly and philosophically trying to argue that a butterfly can never make it past the larva stage.
If you are discussing a butterfly then by definition it has already made it past the larva stage.
I give him the benefit of the doubt that he mis spoke though.
Great Lecture on Newton vs Leibniz for any fellow science nerds.
At 17:45 he gets into who came up with Calculus first and why Newton was ultimately
awarded the inventor designation over Leibniz. It wasn't definitively decided in Newtons favor
until after his death and his personal manuscripts were discovered.
Newton had worked out calculus in his personal manuscripts a full 20 years before Leibniz started working on his formulas
View: https://youtu.be/xhm4AKTrT-Y?t=1067
At 17:45 he gets into who came up with Calculus first and why Newton was ultimately
awarded the inventor designation over Leibniz. It wasn't definitively decided in Newtons favor
until after his death and his personal manuscripts were discovered.
Newton had worked out calculus in his personal manuscripts a full 20 years before Leibniz started working on his formulas
View: https://youtu.be/xhm4AKTrT-Y?t=1067
I don’t think i aren’t not smarter enough to understanding all them big words he was saying.
Seriously, I wish the podcast would’ve been 10% philosophical shit and 90% everything else. I enjoyed it for a while, but they couldn’t get one another to see the opposing side so i wish they would’ve just moved on instead of being on repeat.
Seriously, I wish the podcast would’ve been 10% philosophical shit and 90% everything else. I enjoyed it for a while, but they couldn’t get one another to see the opposing side so i wish they would’ve just moved on instead of being on repeat.