Pig's head left at Philadelphia mosque

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Leigh said:
"Hate crime" isn't a crime. Criminal harassment will be hard to prove.

I support freedom of religion. I do not support special treatment for religion. If you can't find a job that allows you time off to pray 5 times a day, too bad. If you want to discriminate against gays or other protected classes, too bad. If you want other people to treat a dead animal as a subject of your religion, too bad.

If my religion says no one can walk within 100 metres of me, I don't get to enforce that.
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You can absolutely be charged with a hate crime in the U.S.

Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability. The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ)/FBI, as well as campus security authorities, are required to collect and publish hate crime statistics.
 
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Also Leigh @Leigh, yea, you don't get to impose your religion on others but you also don't get to go around desecrating religious houses of worship. It's a two way street. Live and let live. Throwing a pigs head on the doorstep of a Mosque (private property) would only be done for one reason, to defile their private place of worship.

Or is it cool to throw pigs head at doors cause if so I'm gonna go paint the neighbourhood.
 
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Lars said:
You can absolutely be charged with a hate crime in the U.S.

Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability. The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ)/FBI, as well as campus security authorities, are required to collect and publish hate crime statistics.
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I repeat, "Hate crime" is not a crime. Committing a crime against someone based on a protected class can BE a hate crime but you get charged with aggravated assault etc. You are not charged with "hate crime", which is the question I asked.
 
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Also they can be charged with mischief and vandalism, same as if they egged a house.
 
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Leigh said:
I repeat, "Hate crime" is not a crime. Committing a crime against someone based on a protected class can BE a hate crime but you get charged with aggravated assault etc. You are not charged with "hate crime", which is the question I asked.
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Vandalism, mischief, harassment. In Canada you do in fact get charged with a hate crime which is a separate offense.
 
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Lars said:
Also Leigh @Leigh, yea, you don't get to impose your religion on others but you also don't get to go around desecrating religious houses of worship. It's a two way street. Live and let live. Throwing a pigs head on the doorstep of a Mosque (private property) would only be done for one reason, to defile their private place of worship.

Or is it cool to throw pigs head at doors cause if so I'm gonna go paint the neighbourhood.
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The article said it rolled "near the door". I agree that splatting a pigs head against the wall or inside the mosque would be vandalism and could be considered a hate crime. Leaving a piece of meat outside the door does not fit that description IMHO. Jehovah's Witnesses leaving pamphlets in my letterbox does though
 
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Lars said:
Vandalism, mischief, harassment. In Canada you do in fact get charged with a hate crime which is a separate offense.
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Right but that's not what happened.

Can you link to a source on Canada's hate crime law please?
 
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Leigh said:
The article said it rolled "near the door". I agree that splatting a pigs head against the wall or inside the mosque would be vandalism and could be considered a hate crime. Leaving a piece of meat outside the door does not fit that description IMHO. Jehovah's Witnesses leaving pamphlets in my letterbox does though
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I was nice to Jehovah's Witnesses once... never again. Took me a year to shake those fucks.
 
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Lars said:
I was nice to Jehovah's Witnesses once... never again. Took me a year to shake those fucks.
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I'm nice to them but I explain that the bible has be disproven by science and that evolution is a fact.
 
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For some reason I was under the impression that the pig head made contact with the door and a big mess.

But seriously, should I go throw pigs heads at my neighbours?
 
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Leigh said:
Again, that's not the same thing. The crime is vandalism and it may be treated AS a hate crime. "Hate crime" is not the offense, it requires an actual crime first.
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Yes indeedly do but if they catch the guy they will charge him with one of the three things I mentioned, to make an example out of him. Now whether the charges stick in a court of law is a different matter. Many a frivolous charge gets filed, especially for political reasons.
 
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Lars said:
Yes indeedly do but if they catch the guy they will charge him with one of the three things I mentioned, to make an example out of him. Now whether the charges stick in a court of law is a different matter. Many a frivolous charge gets filed, especially for political reasons.
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Also I thought you were saying a seperate charge for hate crimes doesn't exist. Obviously you have to break the law for something to be a "hate crime"

I'm drunk and going to sleep this off lol
 
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Lars said:
Yes indeedly do but if they catch the guy they will charge him with one of the three things I mentioned, to make an example out of him. Now whether the charges stick in a court of law is a different matter. Many a frivolous charge gets filed, especially for political reasons.
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No argument with any of that. However, my original comment asked what the charges were, in relation to the mayor stating he was going to track down the person who rolled a pig's head near a mosque.
 
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Leigh said:
No argument with any of that. However, my original comment asked what the charges were, in relation to the mayor stating he was going to track down the person who rolled a pig's head near a mosque.
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Yes I read that wrong completely.

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I think it's pretty funny on a couple of levels.

Funny that someone went out and bought a pigs head to do this with and must have bought during the day it and then stored it until their daring nighttime attack....that noone was around to see.

Secondly it's just so immature that it makes me laugh. They didn't have the balls to break in to a Mosque and do this ( which would have been much more offensive), they've basically just egged someone's house.

Fucking morons these people.
 
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Youre right, neither is me getting up and skull fucking Jesus on the cross in the vatican but its probably a retarded move yeah?
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There's a massive difference between a retarded move and actually restricting someone's ability to practice their religion.
 
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Darqnezz said:
Death and defilement.
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Leaving a pigs head near a mosque doesn't seem to me to be a threat of death and defilement. More like an attempt to offend Muslims. I think you'd have your work cut out trying to convince a jury.
 
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Leigh said:
Leaving a pigs head near a mosque doesn't seem to me to be a threat of death and defilement. More like an attempt to offend Muslims. I think you'd have your work cut out trying to convince a jury.
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It might not be a threat to you, but it might be one to someone in the mosque.
 
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