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POLL-Who wins the Diaz vs McGregor rematch?
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I think it goes longer due to sheer detemination by McGrgor.
But that determination won't match a well-trained, better-prepared Diaz.
I can see another submission loss, but later. maybe 4th round after a war.
But that determination won't match a well-trained, better-prepared Diaz.
I can see another submission loss, but later. maybe 4th round after a war.
I remembered the first time I asked this was before the fight even happened and the majority of users choose Diaz to win.
At the end of the day Conor probably can't hurt Diaz standing up no matter how much he outboxes him, but Diaz showed he can hurt Conor. I can't see anything short of a liver kick's chance for Conor to finish this fight, and if he somehow wins on the cards, he'll need to be much more elusive than last time to go that many rounds without getting tagged.
Diaz will probably win the rematch. This could hurt UFC mainstream popularity a bit, but hey, it was McGregor's decision to not only take this fight, at this weight, but do it twice even after losing the first time. All the hype he created, and now he taketh away.
Diaz will probably win the rematch. This could hurt UFC mainstream popularity a bit, but hey, it was McGregor's decision to not only take this fight, at this weight, but do it twice even after losing the first time. All the hype he created, and now he taketh away.
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This fight should be at 155 to really make any sense or have any relevance for the future but Conor is emotional about it so.....ah well, he's the one putting it on the line, not me.
That's assuming they'd let them fight again, which they probably won't..has a Diaz ever gotten a rematch apart from Nick and kj noons(might've been different orgs)?
Exactly I don't think his gaping gash has fully healed up yet
One day they may fight again...
If diaz vs Alvarez happens like a year down the line and Diaz wins, while mcgregor beats aldo and idk Holloway or Frankie at 145, then rubber match for the LW belt when Conor vacates FW belt or is allowed to move up again ...
I'm not saying you're horrible at fight predictions but...lol @whoever thinks Nate is gonna win.. Everyday is not sunday
Mc will win in round no 2
Good find haha but what about my other predictions? I told you guys Miesha will beat holly ? Amanda will beat Miesha , Valentina will beat Holly? Macy Boy is beating Nick Diaz believe it or notI'm not saying you're horrible at fight predictions but...
I can only assume you are a huge professional wrasslin fan as well?
The only time we make threads live besides fight nights here were for his presser/weigh ins. He makes people care one way or the other, I like it.
McGregor. Think Nate beating Connor in there first fight brought him back to reality. Sure Connor has been training harder than ever. He took Diaz for granted and underestimated him i believe. Only reason i believe he took the fight on short notice. Or Connor actually believed he was immortal. I'm horrible at picking fights so who knows.
Max is the only other tall striker Conor has fought besides Nate, and the first rounds of those fights looked similar in that Conor was able to effectively close distance against a taller opponent. Max's reach isn't as long as Diaz's, but he does use his range and is often the taller fighter in his fights, kind of like Diaz is in his. Conor did equal amounts of spinning shit, superman punches and other awkward, unexpected strikes in each fight. He landed the hip-launched uppercut against Holloway a couple of times, once pretty significantly.
I saw kind of the same psychological pattern against Holloway as against Diaz though. Max, like Diaz, has a hard chin and didn't fold when he got cracked. He's not a bleeder like Nate but he took some very hard shots. He was able to counter McGregor, maybe not as effectively as Nate but well enough. This would cause Conor to back off, reset, and draw back into his arsenal of tricks in order to set up the next bomb. He was at least aggressive in this manner in the first round against Max as he was against Nate. But he failed in each case to knock the man out. And he looked a bit frustrated as a result.
What he resorted to in each case, after getting hit with counter shots, was dropping his hands and walking forward daring his opponent to land another strike as he either launched a bomb or stabbed/spun forward with a kick of some kind in order to set his own bomb up. But he got nailed several times because his hands were down against Holloway, and furthermore, the head-hunting seemed to sap his speed by the second. He started going for takedowns, and the third was spent largely on the ground IIRC. Conor's positional ability wasn't bad but Max was able to contain his offense pretty easily, even when mounted.
It can be argued that these fights aren't great parallels for the reason that Conor looked to be injured against Holloway (the ACL tear, possibly in the second round). But I saw the same kind of fight in each case, except that Max isn't as good a striker as Nate. He can lead pretty well, but doesn't counter as efficiently, among other things. He is a better mover, and that helped. The chin was most important. He was able to shrug off the hard shots he took and backed Conor down quite a few times. Conor seems to really hate that, and doesn't seem to have a long-term answer when that happens.
I'm not of the opinion Conor can't knock out Nate, but it's very low probability. I think that any standup fighter who can whether the storm has a good chance to get over on Conor and win. It's funny, because, I really believe that if Conor felt like it, he could fight like GSP and just cruise, even without the TD or ground game as a threat. He could dance around and land light leg kicks, a pot shot to the body here and there, and the occasional banger left, and probably come out on top against almost everybody from 145-155 and some at 170 as well. But I don't see him ever fighting that way. I don't think Conor knows how to be patient.
That said, he IS smart enough to bail out of trouble if he has the option, like he did by taking Max down when he knew he couldn't continue standing effectively. But he doesn't have that option against Nate. He's got to stand the entire fight. He can't cruise because he won't. He thinks that way of fighting is cowardly, so he's gonna go kamikaze again. He might not do it right away; he might fight more conservatively in the first and second rounds. He might take some zing off the bombs and "be more efficient." But as soon as the chance is ripe he's going to start throwing the kitchen sink again, and I think the same result comes about. Nate will eat bombs and counter him. Conor will get mad and macho and at that point the last fight repeats itself. I think Diaz submits him again, too. Deja vu all the way.
I saw kind of the same psychological pattern against Holloway as against Diaz though. Max, like Diaz, has a hard chin and didn't fold when he got cracked. He's not a bleeder like Nate but he took some very hard shots. He was able to counter McGregor, maybe not as effectively as Nate but well enough. This would cause Conor to back off, reset, and draw back into his arsenal of tricks in order to set up the next bomb. He was at least aggressive in this manner in the first round against Max as he was against Nate. But he failed in each case to knock the man out. And he looked a bit frustrated as a result.
What he resorted to in each case, after getting hit with counter shots, was dropping his hands and walking forward daring his opponent to land another strike as he either launched a bomb or stabbed/spun forward with a kick of some kind in order to set his own bomb up. But he got nailed several times because his hands were down against Holloway, and furthermore, the head-hunting seemed to sap his speed by the second. He started going for takedowns, and the third was spent largely on the ground IIRC. Conor's positional ability wasn't bad but Max was able to contain his offense pretty easily, even when mounted.
It can be argued that these fights aren't great parallels for the reason that Conor looked to be injured against Holloway (the ACL tear, possibly in the second round). But I saw the same kind of fight in each case, except that Max isn't as good a striker as Nate. He can lead pretty well, but doesn't counter as efficiently, among other things. He is a better mover, and that helped. The chin was most important. He was able to shrug off the hard shots he took and backed Conor down quite a few times. Conor seems to really hate that, and doesn't seem to have a long-term answer when that happens.
I'm not of the opinion Conor can't knock out Nate, but it's very low probability. I think that any standup fighter who can whether the storm has a good chance to get over on Conor and win. It's funny, because, I really believe that if Conor felt like it, he could fight like GSP and just cruise, even without the TD or ground game as a threat. He could dance around and land light leg kicks, a pot shot to the body here and there, and the occasional banger left, and probably come out on top against almost everybody from 145-155 and some at 170 as well. But I don't see him ever fighting that way. I don't think Conor knows how to be patient.
That said, he IS smart enough to bail out of trouble if he has the option, like he did by taking Max down when he knew he couldn't continue standing effectively. But he doesn't have that option against Nate. He's got to stand the entire fight. He can't cruise because he won't. He thinks that way of fighting is cowardly, so he's gonna go kamikaze again. He might not do it right away; he might fight more conservatively in the first and second rounds. He might take some zing off the bombs and "be more efficient." But as soon as the chance is ripe he's going to start throwing the kitchen sink again, and I think the same result comes about. Nate will eat bombs and counter him. Conor will get mad and macho and at that point the last fight repeats itself. I think Diaz submits him again, too. Deja vu all the way.
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The way I see it, Conor isn't going to knock Nate out. Not saying he cant, but I just really don't see it as he spent the entire last fight trying to do that and couldn't. So if he can't knock him out throwing everything he has got, his only hope is to stick and move for 5 rounds. With Diaz having superior conditioning, that too seems an unlikely scenario but more possible then the former. Another caveat to that is the fact that Conor always talks about taking people out. If he goes in there and jabs and jogs for 5 rounds, prepare yourself because if you thought the Condit hate was bad Conor would have to win every fight after that by first punch knockout to live it down. So he can't knock him out throwing everything he has in him, he doesn't have better conditioning, and because of his own self hype he can't play it safe.
It isn't impossible for Conor to him but to me, seems very unlikely. War Diaz
It isn't impossible for Conor to him but to me, seems very unlikely. War Diaz
Well those were posted so you get happy that nate is gonna win.. only few days left and I shall once again win..
Pretty much this, although we have to admit we're lucky to have an elite fighter with this frame of mind. I wonder about the extent to which his attitude arises through "self hype" though. I can think of plenty of fighters similarly hyped as sheer killers (by themselves as well as the public) who fought conservatively when the time came against a supposedly hated rival. Condit might be the best example. He caught some flak for the fight against Diaz, and somewhat deservedly so---exactly because of his hype--- but that single fight wasn't enough to overrule his body of work. He's still called "natural born killer" and deserves to be.
Similarly, IF Conor was able to control himself for one fight, I really think he could outpoint Diaz, and however GSP-like the performance was, the more sober/rational fans among us would understand, even while giving him flak.
My point is that although Conor seems trapped by his own promises, breaking them wouldn't bother him for reasons of not "keeping his word", so to speak. He would be bothered because he truly doesn't consider it honorable to point-fight. He did so against Holloway---because of the injury, IMO---but against no one else. He's a gunslinger and that's part of why he's so popular.
Good point. Even with his best cardio, I don't see Conor exceeding Nate's ability to keep pace for 5 rounds. The Diaz' seem to live for cardio. I wonder just how much Conor can improve his cardio though. It's always looked a little suspect to me, at least in those fights that have gone past the first round. Not abysmal, but maybe below average for the weight class. The weight cut might have something to do with it, but then, NOT having to cut didn't work either