Poor Helwani

[Jehannum]

Let what go?

His hand ofc!! let the guy plummet to his death

 

[soundoff71]

Remember what I said about picking sides and not wanting to compromise?

@Wild wrote a post expressing his opinion, explained his side, spoke of his dissatisfaction with the media, talked about his personal life and how the political situation affects it and did not try to provoke or blame anyone other than the media.

You then came in with 'if you like trump I'm leaving the site'. You can't talk things out if you're unwilling to listen to others.

Yeah, I heard what you said. I don't agree on getting along. We already talked about that.

You obviously didn't hear what I said. You saw what you wanted to hear. I said, "Are you gonna keep pushing this, or can you let it go?" I said, "I'm not gonna get into some bullshit or idiotic circular arguments". I said, "if you're not gonna let this go, then I don't need this place." I never said, 'if you like trump I'm leaving the site'. I said if he kept pushing a debate I would leave. There's a difference there. I already know he likes Trump, & I'm still here, aren't I?

Maybe you need to listen better if you wanna insert yourself into other people's conversation.

 

[soundoff71]

You and I have always gotten along, both here and the other place. It's why I personally invited you to join us, and why you're here (I think). We agree on a lot of things when it comes to MMA. I apologize for creating this thread, but Helwani shared his opinion on social media for the world to see and he's an important figure in the MMA media. I don't see any harm in debating it. With all due respect, you don't have to click on this thread. I don't think it's necessary to put me on ignore or leave lol. I hope you don't anyway. I rarely mix politics & MMA, and I wouldn't have done so in this instance if Helwani didn't post what he did. So this isn't a common occurrence, and I apologize if anything I've said offended you. I am just giving my opinion on how I see things and the agenda that is clearly out there on both sides. No hard feelings between you and I on this end.

Alright then, barring any last words from @Onetrickpony, we'll let this go. Just know that there are people creeped out by the whole Trump admin on many levels. Ties to white nationalists are one of many things people have a problem with.

I'll leave you with 3 things. Do what you will with them. Write them off as libral lefty media.

You asked before, "So because he didn't say the words Nazi or terrorism 20 minutes after the car incident happened, and the situation in Charlottesville was still happening...he's a defender of bigotry and racism, and an apologist for the KKK?"

Here's how many anti-Trump people saw his first speech:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXszx68uhsY


Here's a lefty propaganda piece on the 2nd:

Trump’s rhetorical ricochet on Charlottesville highlights basic truths about the president

Here is a breakdown on Trump's little 'alt-left' frame:

What's the Alt-Left? For Starters, Not a Thing

So there you go. That's as far as I go with this. But if you want some sort of explanation of how the other side feels, those are good places to start.

 

[Onetrickpony]

Yeah, I heard what you said. I don't agree on getting along. We already talked about that.

You obviously didn't hear what I said. You saw what you wanted to hear. I said, "Are you gonna keep pushing this, or can you let it go?" I said, "I'm not gonna get into some bullshit or idiotic circular arguments". I said, "if you're not gonna let this go, then I don't need this place." I never said, 'if you like trump I'm leaving the site'. I said if he kept pushing a debate I would leave. There's a difference there. I already know he likes Trump, & I'm still here, aren't I?

Maybe you need to listen better if you wanna insert yourself into other people's conversation.

I don't like trump, haven't since the start. Generally I stay out of this bullshit but it seems everything that happens gets blamed on him whether he's at fault or not. Half of the country voted for him. Does that mean half the country is

I'll agree to disagree with you, and have no want to start for the sake of getting along.

Alright then, barring any last words from @Onetrickpony, we'll let this go. Just know that there are people creeped out by the whole Trump admin on many levels. Ties to white nationalists are one of many things people have a problem with.

I'll leave you with too things. Do what you will with them. Write them off as libral lefty media. You asked before, "So because he didn't say the words Nazi or terrorism 20 minutes after the car incident happened, and the situation in Charlottesville was still happening...he's a defender of bigotry and racism, and an apologist for the KKK?"

Here's how many anti-Trump supporters saw his first speech:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXszx68uhsY


Here's a lefty propaganda piece on the 2nd:

Trump’s rhetorical ricochet on Charlottesville highlights basic truths about the president

Here is a breakdown on Trump's little 'alt-left' frame:

What's the Alt-Left? For Starters, Not a Thing

So there you go. That's as far as I go with this. But if you want some sort of explanation of how the other side feels, that's a good place to start.

I'm not trying to provoke anyone and for the record I think trump is a fool. But that doesn't mean that all who support him are idiots or racists.

I respect the opinions of people here on both sides for two reasons. One, sometimes good open discussion without prejudice can change your opinion on issues that you thought you were sure about. Second, know your enemy.

Mainly though, I'm just tired of all the fighting on the site.

 

[soundoff71]

I don't like trump, haven't since the start. Generally I stay out of this bullshit but it seems everything that happens gets blamed on him whether he's at fault or not. Half of the country voted for him. Does that mean half the country is

I'll agree to disagree with you, and have no want to start for the sake of getting along.

I'm not trying to provoke anyone and for the record I think trump is a fool. But that doesn't mean that all who support him are idiots or racists.

I respect the opinions of people here on both sides for two reasons. One, sometimes good open discussion without prejudice can change your opinion on issues that you thought you were sure about. Second, know your enemy.

Mainly though, I'm just tired of all the fighting on the site.

Understand & respect that, but I get tired of people putting words in my mouth or misrepresenting what I said. It felt that's what happened with us.

We're good, though. Sorry if I got heated & aggro. I'm tried & grumpy from the show last night. All the Nazi/alt-right hyper-vigilance & head-swiveling is exhausting & puts me in a bad mood.

 

[mmadotcomisufcdotcom]

Don't have time to read through thread. He (probably Bannon and Roger Stone) invented this term "alt left" to try and create an equivalency (moral/political/semiotic) between "alt-right," a self-named real "thing," and "alt-left," a creation of the "alt-right" whose intent is to legitimize itself (morally/politically/semiotically), in order to reduce the force of opposition by making the opposition semiotically equivalent to itself (robbing the opposition of superior moral status). It's the POTUS being a tool of the "alt-right," disseminating its intentional "straw-man" equivalency and strategy from the most authoritative post the national institution has.

To downplay that, or overlook the lie, is a mistake, imo.

Wasn't the alt right made up by the alt left?

 

[Onetrickpony]

Understand & respect that, but I get tired of people putting words in my mouth or misrepresenting what I said. It felt that's what happened with us.

We're good, though. Sorry if I got heated & aggro. I'm tried & grumpy from the show last night. All the Nazi/alt-right hyper-vigilance & head-swiveling is exhausting & puts me in a bad mood.

No problem dude, I'm sorry I paraphrased you and misspoke of your intent.

 

[Yossarian]

I resemble that remark, because I block 4 or 6 people on here, but it's not because they disagree. It's because they're fundamentally attention-starved assholes, deep down, and ain't nobody got time fo dat.

That I can agree with just fine

That, and pineapple on pizza should be a go.

 

[Yossarian]

Don't have time to read through thread. He (probably Bannon and Roger Stone) invented this term "alt left" to try and create an equivalency (moral/political/semiotic) between "alt-right," a self-named real "thing," and "alt-left," a creation of the "alt-right" whose intent is to legitimize itself (morally/politically/semiotically), in order to reduce the force of opposition by making the opposition semiotically equivalent to itself (robbing the opposition of superior moral status). It's the POTUS being a tool of the "alt-right," disseminating its intentional "straw-man" equivalency and strategy from the most authoritative post the national institution has.

To downplay that, or overlook the lie, is a mistake, imo.

I agree with you here. Yet another big mistake on Trump's part being oblivious to what state America is in. I think for sure that the radicalized left (not all left) is a problem, but these Nazi gatherings should be addressed first and foremost. It should be a priority at the least. One problem at a time.

And yes, labeling is becoming more common to describe a much more complicated cultural and political ailments. No discussion, just buzzwords used to portray the "other" side. And this president definitely doesn;t shy away from that. So we have deviding shouting matches without really listening. We have so much division right now, but I think there's a vast majority of people that are willing to come together. They probably have jobs and are too busy

 

[Yossarian]

You can't talk things out if you're unwilling to listen to others.

/thread motherfucker.

 

[Mishima Zaibatsu]

Wait wait wait... what did trump say?

 

[Jehannum]

Wait wait wait... what did trump say?

He said "just grab em by the pussy" apparently

 

[Wild]

I agree with you here. Yet another big mistake on Trump's part being oblivious to what state America is in. I think for sure that the radicalized left (not all left) is a problem, but these Nazi gatherings should be addressed first and foremost. It should be a priority at the least. One problem at a time.

I think he's fully aware of it but for whatever reason he has refused to take action, on both sides. If I were him, the directive to all Governors, Mayors, Law Enforcement and local Prosecutors across the country would be "All future protest rallies are to have extensive police presence, with clear instruction that anyone blocking a road, inciting violence, committing assault or battery, making terrorists threats, committing vandalism, or any other crime is to be arrested immediately and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law"

 

[Onetrickpony]

I don't like trump, haven't since the start. Generally I stay out of this bullshit but it seems everything that happens gets blamed on him whether he's at fault or not. Half of the country voted for him. Does that mean half the country is

I'll agree to disagree with you, and have no want to start for the sake of getting along.

I'm not trying to provoke anyone and for the record I think trump is a fool. But that doesn't mean that all who support him are idiots or racists.

I respect the opinions of people here on both sides for two reasons. One, sometimes good open discussion without prejudice can change your opinion on issues that you thought you were sure about. Second, know your enemy.

Mainly though, I'm just tired of all the fighting on the site.

I just read my post and have no clue what the fuck happened at the first part. I must have deleted a chunk and somehow not noticed.

I guess the moral of the story is don't try to write a post in more than one sitting in between stints of sledgehammering 1" rebar into 6x6's when it's 30 above outside.

 

[Robbie Hart]

I just read my post and have no clue what the fuck happened at the first part. I must have deleted a chunk and somehow not noticed.

I guess the moral of the story is don't try to write a post in more than one sitting in between stints of sledgehammering 1" rebar into 6x6's when it's 30 above outside.

Ok pizony, ok.......

 

[Γαλάνης]

Ariels jewish, and you thought he'd say nothing about a people rallying with fucking nazi flags in 2017 America.

Poor helwani? More like Poor America.

I'd be happy to put a bullet in everyone in this photo

 

[Onetrickpony]

Ok pizony, ok.......

Don't you start with me Bob.

 

[Jehannum]

I'd be happy to put a bullet in everyone in this photo

do you call it a bullet because it's only 9 millimeters?

 

[Onetrickpony]

I'd be happy to put a bullet in everyone in this photo

I'd be happy if we could make them understand that race doesn't make a difference and they have been led to believe in doctrines that are able to be disproven both scientifically and socially.

Violence begets violence and the world (as well as the US on its own) has been done that path before with dire results.

 

[Rambo John J]

galanis sighting

Hi

 

[KWingJitsu]

Alright then, barring any last words from @Onetrickpony, we'll let this go. Just know that there are people creeped out by the whole Trump admin on many levels. Ties to white nationalists are one of many things people have a problem with.

I'll leave you with 3 things. Do what you will with them. Write them off as libral lefty media.

You asked before, "So because he didn't say the words Nazi or terrorism 20 minutes after the car incident happened, and the situation in Charlottesville was still happening...he's a defender of bigotry and racism, and an apologist for the KKK?"

Here's how many anti-Trump people saw his first speech:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXszx68uhsY


Here's a lefty propaganda piece on the 2nd:

Trump’s rhetorical ricochet on Charlottesville highlights basic truths about the president

Here is a breakdown on Trump's little 'alt-left' frame:

What's the Alt-Left? For Starters, Not a Thing

So there you go. That's as far as I go with this. But if you want some sort of explanation of how the other side feels, those are good places to start.

You're not gonna get a 'Trump supporter" to denounce his dog whistles and obvious bias in favor of white supremacy and neo nazis.
Not even if other respectable republicans came out and condemned his speech... which they did, including the two Bushes.

 

[Onetrickpony]

do you call it a bullet because it's only 9 millimeters?

Maybe he means her foot through the head. This is an mma site after all.

 

[wiz]

This whole situation with Trump/riots/racism is set up just like everything else they do. They divide us, make us angry and fight each other, and then have the perfect excuse to come in with martial law and control us further.

 

[Jehannum]

This whole situation with Trump/riots/racism is set up just like everything else they do. They divide us, make us angry and fight each other, and then have the perfect excuse to come in with martial law and control us further.

You mean it's another Team Trump stroke of genius? He does appear to be able to dodge all the bullets

 

[wiz]

You mean it's another Team Trump stroke of genius? He does appear to be able to dodge all the bullets

he might have some power but overall i think he's a puppet, it's the people behind the scenes who are running things