@Masato Toys - have you heard of the book "Regeneration", or the film adaptation?fairly contemporary, and makes for a good discussion
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@Masato Toys - have you heard of the book "Regeneration", or the film adaptation?fairly contemporary, and makes for a good discussion
@Masato Toys I guarantee you what your kids are getting in Canada is nothing like indoctrination here in the United States Look at someone like John McCain he grifted his way in politics for years being a warmonger and no one could ever criticize him until Trump
Human history is nothing but a Chronicle of scam Wars
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Let's show John McCain some respect, seeing as he endured a lot more than any of the dorks you follow on YouTube
Look at someone like John McCain he grifted his way in politics for years being a warmonger and no one could ever criticize him until Trump
Human history is nothing but a Chronicle of scam Wars
based on his political record, and as a resident of AZ, I support this statement.
Ww1 right? That's what your post references.
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Didnt Canadians have to go go to war in WW1, and 2 for that matter, because they are part of Her Majesties Army?
Well it doesn't make a difference really, Remembrance Day here pretty much celebrates/glorifies soldiers of all wars we had troops in. I guess WWI vets are long gone already.
But if you're talking what soldiers were told vs reality sure we can start to crack that in regards to WWI. What do YOU think the soldiers thought they were fighting for? Let's dig up some Canadian WWI propaganda of the day. I bet if you told them the truth it would seem so alien to them Canadians would have just laughed at the notion of even remotely participating
How do you get people to go and fight a war for you?
There was a lengthy interview I remember with an author of a book called 'The Vilification of Germany', but i can't seem to find any links at the moment. Was super interesting, how much concentrated effort was made in both wars to get as many people as possible to hate Germany. Not just hate like the word is used today, I mean really HATE, dehumanize, see them as beasts. And it worked for the most part. We still hate the Germans culturally from those times, no remorse or pity for the soldiers that died equally gruesomely on the other side. As in, how dare you even think of offering compassion for them? You can't even say it most places
yes good start
What about the rainbow war? Do you celebrate the survivors of that?
Here is the doc I'm gonna watch/discuss with my kids in place of 'Yay War Day':
Watch that, and tell me if you would have gone to fight.
Watch that, and tell me if you would have gone to fight.
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Just saw Midway. Great movie 8/10
My dad took me out of sex Ed class for the unit on the vagina. He didn’t want me to waste my life looking for the lie that is the clitoris.
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You’re a pig.
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Remember when you always told me how weird it was that your mailman would buy you a really nice Christmas gift every year?
Look him up. I'm sure he would love to hear from you.
That's what I'm referencing because that's what you said.
Hey now, don't turn it around on me. You are the one who made the post and referenced it as a reason to pull your kids out, that you guys were having a day of it. So what's the delta there between reality and not?
You have conflated ww1 propaganda (vs legit involvement) with all modern war propaganda going on to this day. I can't wrap my mind around the string that connects all of those to the extent that I would mention it all in the same breath as you do. You even said:
So what about WW1 was so egregious that it makes up the bulk of your post in angering you?
You always sound like you're disagreeing with me! That's OK but I'm curious as to your stance... do you think WWI was a just war? Do you think the rhetoric of the vets sacrificing and serving their country (Canada in this instance) 'so we can be free' is even remotely accurate?
Really I am more concerned with the gap between the reality of war and the sentiment of modern Remembrance Day rhetoric. Here we always honor the fallen, and reflect on the horrors of war - which is all fine and good - but they NEVER EVER examine the REASONS for the wars, nor ever give the slightest hint that maybe the wars were unjust in the first place. The unconscious sentiment is always that they were legit wars that had to be fought, and of course we were on the side of the 'Good Guys'. This is what I have a problem with. This is what imo allows the perpetual war machine to keep rolling. They skew the propaganda from war to war, but yes I do see great similarities in this regard for all modern wars. That's why I mention it in the same breath. In fact, I think that most wars since WWI have actually been concocted basically by the same groups.
Here in Canada, the sentiment for WWI propaganda seemed mostly to be about GUILT. I bet there was a huge effort to make men feel like they should be ashamed if they did not go, as if 'Real Men' would and should all go. If you choose to stay and take care of your wife and kids and farm you should be ashamed. Honestly, I bet most soldiers didn't have a fuckin clue what the war was even about... they just went because of foggy manufactured social pressures.
Do you really think a single average Canadian was presented with any facts about what the war was about, or how it affected Canada? Do you think it was in the interest of the war machine to have the population educated on the issue?
Here is a SMALL sampling of WWI posters of the day. I have a huge interest in war propaganda artwork, have studied several wars from this perspective, and ALWAYS find them to be absolutely ridiculous.
(I dare not even open the vault of US propaganda lol)
Questioning men's masculinity/honor:
lol - if you don't leave your family to go get slaughtered in Europe you will be caught with your pants down:
As if it was a fucking Hockey game:
I wonder sometimes if the line in our National Anthem 'We Stand On Guard For Thee' was a result of some sort of war propaganda:
And if you couldn't actually leave your wife and kids to go slaughter other human beings for god knows why, they guilted people into giving over their MONEY. Who knows what kind of corruption went on here? Where that money actually went?
LOLOLOL:
How much was being taken advantage of ECONOMICALLY via war-guilt? How many industries might have been shifted around, competition eliminated, monopolizations seized, etc etc as a result of using war sentiment to change people's buying patterns?
It would make a very interesting study imo
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And here are some samples that I really hate the most - cartoonishly demonizing the 'enemy', and making it seem as if they would have ACTUALLY INVADED CANADA if they had lost. I don't think this is the case for EITHER world wars, yet the propaganda made it seem like some Hollywood plague that would have eventually come to Canadian's doorstep. Demonizing the enemy, making people hate and dehumanize them - this dehumanizes everyone! It is the nastiest of business, it makes me sick. Making people lose their humanity, their compassion, and turn them into beasts willing to maim and kill other human beings so they can increase their profits - this is real evil imo
Read this shite, actually manipulating women via fear, guilt, and social stigma to send their husbands and the fathers of their children to war. 'You have read what the Germans have done in Belgium. Have you thought what they would do if they invaded this country?'
WTF
This looks like a US poster but same idea:
Seriously, tell me if any of that ^^ is rational or makes sense. Tell me there isn't a gap between what people were told/sold about WWI and what it was really all about.
Read this shite, actually manipulating women via fear, guilt, and social stigma to send their husbands and the fathers of their children to war. 'You have read what the Germans have done in Belgium. Have you thought what they would do if they invaded this country?'
WTF
This looks like a US poster but same idea:
Seriously, tell me if any of that ^^ is rational or makes sense. Tell me there isn't a gap between what people were told/sold about WWI and what it was really all about.
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If Canada would make Remembrance Day about REALLY exposing the horrors of war, lamenting the loss of our loved ones for bullshit reasons, showing people the REAL reasons that bring wars about, and the nature of the people/groups/interests that fund them and make them possible... I would be completely on board.
If they showed documentaries on Remembrance Day like the one I posted, showing stuff about Cecil Rhodes' Round Table etc, and explained war-profiteering and how Banking fits into it all... THEN maybe people would be horrified enough to ACTUALLY say 'never again'.
But until that is part of it, all this 'Lest We Forget' is just bullshit. As long as we keep this subtle unconscious sentiment that the wars that are fought are just and right, that the 'enemies' truly had to be defeated and that soldiers were simply fighting so we can be free etc... the war machine will keep rolling.
The sick irony is that imo Remembrance Day as its presented here is actually just continued War Propaganda. It has the same underlying sentiment as those stupid posters ^^
If they showed documentaries on Remembrance Day like the one I posted, showing stuff about Cecil Rhodes' Round Table etc, and explained war-profiteering and how Banking fits into it all... THEN maybe people would be horrified enough to ACTUALLY say 'never again'.
But until that is part of it, all this 'Lest We Forget' is just bullshit. As long as we keep this subtle unconscious sentiment that the wars that are fought are just and right, that the 'enemies' truly had to be defeated and that soldiers were simply fighting so we can be free etc... the war machine will keep rolling.
The sick irony is that imo Remembrance Day as its presented here is actually just continued War Propaganda. It has the same underlying sentiment as those stupid posters ^^
Fuck! All the images are gone
lol. I will try to dig them up again
that sucks I had a good selection of images
lol. I will try to dig them up again
that sucks I had a good selection of images
