General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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NotBanjaxo

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No. The only thing I knew before hand about Putin and Ukraine is him telling
Obama he intended to De Nazify Ukraine.Then I woke up to all these reports of
racial discrimination by Ukraine at their evacuations points.

I cannot and will not support that shit.
"Despite the fact that I readily admit that I am uninformed about the situation, I'm going to make a knee jerk response to one particular aspect of the news regarding the situation, and vomit up my opinoin that tars an entire nation of with the same brush." - Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $ @Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $
 

La Paix

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Don't need to look much further when I see racial discrimination at Ukraine evacuation points.

Thats enough for me to withdraw empathy and no longer care.

It tells me given the reverse roles and if it were myself or my family in that situation
they wouldn't give a fuck about us. So why the fuck would I care about them??
What do you call it when somebody paints an entire group of people based on the actions of a few? The atrocious behaviour at the borders is just that but you should realize the team you now want to support is looking like they want to wipe out whoever gets in their way regardless of what they look like.


Thats the reports That I'm seeing in a nutshell
More blame to the people preventing specific groups from fleeing then it is on the ones causing the damage. I don’t understand.
 
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This is like being chased by a gang of dudes looking to smash you up and when you get to a house to hide in they lock you out then you blame the ones inside for the horrors to come. Am I missing something?

Thats the reports That I'm seeing in a nutshell
I ain't mad if that makes you want to say "fuck Ukraine" but it seems weird to swing to supporting Putin given the history.


Also after Putin strawmen about Nazis with Obama he invaded Crimea and further expelled and rounded up the local tatars.

The soviets we're considerably more interested in a multicultural society with their global conquests than Putin is.
Fair...point noted

However Ukraine's own National Guard has white supremacist division known as Azov

Why would I ever feel any sympathy when they hate my very existence?

Fuck em

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Thats the reports That I'm seeing in a nutshell


Fair...point noted

However Ukraine's own National Guard has white supremacist division known as Azov

Why would I ever feel any sympathy when they hate my very existence?

Fuck em

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I’m still reading up on their history but I’m under the impression they don’t represent anywhere near the majority of the country. Like at all.
 
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"Despite the fact that I readily admit that I am uninformed about the situation, I'm going to make a knee jerk response to one particular aspect of the news regarding the situation, and vomit up my opinoin that tars an entire nation of with the same brush." - Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $ @Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $

Not knee jerk. The reports of racial discrimination at Ukraine evacuation points
is all over my damn news feed with with video proof.

Thats plenty reason for me to say fuck em.
 
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However Ukraine's own National Guard has white supremacist division known as Azov

Why would I ever feel any sympathy when they hate my very existence?
Its a long history and I don't expect you to feel sympathy. But you are just scratching the very surface of why they are there and how influential they are systematically. Also if they are being marginalized or not and who is trying to marginalize those figures.
 

NotBanjaxo

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I’m still reading up on their history but I’m under the impression they don’t represent anywhere near the majority of the country. Like at all.
According to Wikipedia, the Ukranian military comprises 215,000 personnel.

I've seen it said that the Azov division comprises 600 troops, but i don't have a source for that.
 
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So it turns out sharing images of POWs is a war crime… am I a war criminal now?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I’m still reading up on their history but I’m under the impression they don’t represent anywhere near the majority of the country. Like at all.
You don't have a government sanctioned part of the military unless you have a reasonable amount of pull. It's only the last 3 or 4 weeks that their influence has become a debated point.
 

NotBanjaxo

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Not knee jer. The reports of racial discrimination at Ukraine evacuation points
is all over my damn news feed with with video proof.

Thats plenty reason for me to say fuck em.
The numerous reports of discrimination certainly do appear to be real, and I think it's disgusting behaviour same as you do.

The bit I disagree strongly about is your "Fuck the entire population of Ukraine" response to it.
 
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You don't have a government sanctioned part of the military unless you have a reasonable amount of pull. It's only the last 3 or 4 weeks that their influence has become a debated point.
They got official status because they refused to surrender and fought on in 2014 when the Ukrainian army ran away. They have no “pull.”

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They've gone from marching in something analogous to confederate kkk hybrid celebrations to being condemned by the president publicly and winning zero parliment seats.
Eastern Europe all the way to the Pacific ocean has a huge racism problem and Ukraine simply has a formalized apparatus due to their history. That piece will come back with destabilizing that is going on or continue to be marginalized at the request of NATO/EU as a prerequisite for membership if the recent democratic changes hold.
 
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I’m still reading up on their history but I’m under the impression they don’t represent anywhere near the majority of the country. Like at all.
They've gone from marching in something analogous to confederate kkk hybrid celebrations to being condemned by the president publicly and winning zero parliment seats.
Eastern Europe all the way to the Pacific ocean has a huge racism problem and Ukraine simply has a formalized apparatus due to their history. That piece will come back with destabilizing that is going on or continue to be marginalized at the request of NATO/EU as a prerequisite for membership if the recent democratic changes hold.
 

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Not knee jer. The reports of racial discrimination at Ukraine evacuation points
is all over my damn news feed with with video proof.

Thats plenty reason for me to say fuck em.
Ukrainian border guard - “If you’re coloured you’re not getting through without getting beat down” = Racism. Fully agree and intolerable.

You - “If you’re Ukrainian I’m rooting for Putin to kill you” = ?
 
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Its a long history and I don't expect you to feel sympathy. But you are just scratching the very surface of why they are there and how influential they are systematically. Also if they are being marginalized or not and who is trying to marginalize those figures.
Well they lost me at "racist". I have no desire to, nor will I ever waste my time trying to
research and ferret out the varioius factions and inner workings of racists in order to come
up with a reason as to why I should give a fuck about them.

They made it pretty simple. They did. Not me

They explicitly state they hate my very existence because of my skin color.

To that I say fuck every last one of them.
 

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"The end of an unclouded day. Almost a happy one. Just one of the 3,653 days of his sentence, from bell to bell. The extra three were for leap years."
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BeardOfKnowledge

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They got official status because they refused to surrender and fought on in 2014 when the Ukrainian army ran away. They have no “pull.”
I don't understand how you could possibly write that, look at it and think "This makes sense."

At the very least, your situation would mean the government respected them and decided to recognize them.
 

NotBanjaxo

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Well they lost me at "racist". I have no desire to, nor will I ever waste my time trying to
research and ferret out the varioius factions and inner workings of racists in order to come
up with a reason as to why I should give a fuck about them.

They made it pretty simple. They did. Not me

They explicitly state they hate my very existence because of my skin color.

To that I say fuck every last one of them.
"Them" meaning the racists?

Or "them" meaning all Ukranians?

If it's the second one, then you're stating that you hate their very existence because of their nationality. I'm not religious, but there's some saying about a log in your eye that I'm recalling here for some reason.