I haven't looked into it. I'm just asking that if you're going to present stats that you present honest ones.
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What about the stat I posted was dishonest? Is it incorrect?
I posted a gun stat in a gun thread.
Okay, now this is just a hypothetical example to illustrate why it's dishonest. Let's say in America 100 students are killed a year and they're all shot. Conversely, let's say in Canada 100 students are murdered a year, but all are stabbed. Would it be intellectually honest to suggest that guns are the root cause of the student deaths?
No one suggested anything. A stat was presented, it is up for the reader to interpret it.
Do you think the stat is incorrect?
82 times more likely to be killed by a gun. Daaaamn.
The stat is almost certainly incorrect. Most 18 and 19 year olds have graduated high school, but we'll ignore that for a second. It doesn't tell us how many of those kids are committing suicide rather than shooting others. How many are dying as a result of criminal activity? How many don't attend school at all even though they're "school aged"? How many of that 82% actually happen at a school, etc. Meanwhile the stat is being framed as a school shooting stat, as I said. It's dishonest.
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Not that I'm saying you're wrong, but if you feel that those statistics provided are wrong, find some that back up your claim. I (and this isn't about you, it's an observation about this country) see that the people in this country, when presented with statistical facts, or scientific proof that they disagree with, or don't like, now embrace ignorance and call it "fake news" or claim that it's a lie.... However they don't provide actual evidence to validate their statement.
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Can we agree on Breibart and Fox News polls too?
Yep. As well as the rest of MSM, RT, and TYT.
This statistic solely pertains to gun violence. It is not attempting to explain the cause of the violence, how illegal the violence was or the location of the violence.
All it is stating is a teenager is 82 times more likely to be killed by gun violence in the USA than their counterparts in other developed nations.
Just so I'm getting this straight. You're of the opinion that media can make any claims they want and people shouldn't ask that the stats be given some sort of context?
and are they 82 times more likely to be murdered than teens in other developed nations?
I dont think that is what the statistic is stating, no. Is that what you took from it?
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BOOM!!! Fuck.... Let's keep going, we may fix this country ourselves.... We have different views, but that shit is progress there..... RHINO/MYSTICMAC 2020 BITCHES!!!
It implies that innocent students are that much more likely to be in danger. If a student is killing themselves, others are not necessarily in danger. Context is important. It is the difference between clickbait and a valid point within the context of this thread.
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It is a statistic worth noting. It is beyond an outlier. 820% is statistically significant.
The way people react to statistics is up to them.
The way people present them is also up to them.
No, because I recognize the statistic is at the very least dishonest. But if you read the article, they're framing it as if going to high school in America makes you a sitting duck just waiting to be shot.
What if I told you that you're more likely to die at the hands of human intervention in Japan than you are in America?
You have stated you feel the statistic is dishonest numerous times now yet you have not provided any evidence to back up your statements.
Did I misrepresent the statistic?
I pointed out very clearly that they give no context to where they derive their stats from. I also pointed out that 19 is not "high school age" generally 18 isn't either. You don't seem terribly interested in that though.
I'm not sure why you think the dataset they're working from isn't granular enough to parse these categories out. You can read the study this statistic originates from here.
It was based on 50 years of data with very robust statistical controls. Suicides are not reported as homicides. Intentional and unintentional death are also controlled for. Attending school isn't the point so much as looking at the age group which is what high school age denotes. Worldwide, 58% of age eligible kids attend secondary school. In the US it's 96%.
Yes, several times.